French Prometheus

Yeah... right, and Moby Dick contains hidden prophecies as shown there :
Assassinations Foretold in Moby Dick!


But YOU know how to interpret the Bible correctly, don't you? You're not deceived by Satan just like those fools with their deviant interpretations.

Pray tell, if Satan can deceive honest Bible-believing Christians, how do you know for sure you haven't been deceived yourself?

French Prometheus

Dear Timothy,
You quote a lot of Bible verses, and I could do likewise (my favorite are Luke 19:27, Matt 10:34 and Deut 18:22). But what has that to do with changing the day of the Sabbath?


You break your God's sacred Law every week. You have no real scriptural backing for doing that. You were taught to do that at a young age and now you try to misinterpret Bible verses to justify this ungodly and hellbound practice.
Let be say it once more : what you believe is true for yourself or all of us is irrelevant. GOD GAVE YOU AN EVERLASTING LAW THAT HE NEVER ABROGATED AND YOU VIOLATE IT. You even seem to enjoy flouting his Law.

Who are you to declare yourself a guide for all of us? Where is your name in the Bible? Where are the signs (maybe the stigmata?) that you were sent by God to explain his word to us????


Drugs have the same effect. What's the connection between joy and truth?
I'm very happy with my life as an atheist in a strongly secular society. You can keep your godly comfort to your depraved self, we don't need it here.


No. The goal is to let people live the way they like as long as they don't harm you or others. If you want to live a Christian life (whatever that means for you), fine. If you want to force me to follow suit, then I'll do my utmost to stop you and expose your religion as the unatural and harmful superstition it is.


God doesn't exist. The Bible is a primitive work of fiction with a few elements of truth scattered here and there. There was a time when morality was defined primarily from the Bible. It was called the Dark Age.
If you need the Bible to refrain from raping and murdering your fellow humans, I really pity you.
As was said above by others, Christians commit more crimes and offenses than atheists in America. In secular Europe, we have a lower crime rate than in the States. And it's even much lower in Japan where Christians account for 1% of the population while more than 50% of the Japanese are atheists.


This has nothing to do with the Sabbath. You are making up excuses to justify breaking it. If your God exists, you will go to hell.

Rev. Timothy G. Muse

There is a difference between God's law not being abrogated and it being fulfilled. One states it is still in effect, the other states though it remains in effect, it's requirements have been met! In this case, it is met substitutionally on behalf of believers through the merits and obedience of Jesus Christ, our Savior. In the former case, one is still under the law and subject to it, while Paul makes it clear that believers are no longer under law, but under grace! (Before it's objected that this frees a person to sin irresponsibly, read the book of Romans)

The statement about the goal being to let people live as the way they want as long as they don't harm you, fails to show TRUE concern for one's fellow man. Christianity cares that our neighbor does not harm himself or others, and is restored to a right relationship with God. The former is self-centered, the latter is love.

As far as crimes, I would raise three issues. First, the standard and ultimate authority is not that of society but of the revealed law of God. Second, as Jesus states in the sermon on the mount, it does not just include outward matters such as rape, but even the thoughts of the heart - anger, lust, malice, etc. Even the Pharisees considered themselves moral, law abiding citizens, but fell short of what God requires. Third, at those points where Christians have committed crimes, their practice has been inconsistent with their faith. (Even so, their inconsistency should not keep others from desiring justification as offered through Christ.)

Finally, regarding the eternal security of believers who worship on the Lord's Day, three issues. First, the fact that the "Lord's Day" is referred to in the New Testament, the practice of the early church coming together on Sunday for worship, this day being set apart by the early church fathers, and the theological significance associated with the resurrection ... all provide sufficient and reasonable justification for worshipping on Sunday. Besides, if error does exist here, this is not the unpardonable sin; rather refusal to rightly respond to the Spirit is. I find it interesting coming from non-believers that "If my God exists 'I' will go to hell."

joedad

Why so much hypocrisy? Most likely because of a belief in supernaturalism.

While most christians insist that their supernatural realm is some type of spiritual, non material essence, it clearly derives from the natural. The supernatural is therefore a glorified natural, and supernatural is just another way to say supermaterial.

Therefore, supernaturalists are supermaterialists first, and is how to account for all that "sin."

funinspace

You keep talking about "it being fulfilled" and then ignore the words of Jesus in Matthew.

Your explanations are ok up to the first verse.

You have never addressed this part. Has heaven and earth passed? Has ALL been fulfilled. That would imply that all NT prophecy for the future and Revelations is bogus. Therefore the law must still stand. Or the Bible is not divine/perfect? These are your God's words. It does not matter what Paul says in his Epistles, unless he superceeds Jesus.

And here is the point, you deny your God's laws. What does your God conclude?

DK

Impresario

Timothy, "letting people live as they want" is another way of saying having respect for divergent beliefs. When you speak of a right relationship with God you are referring to Jesus. You do not care whether a person has a right relationship with any of the other gods that people worship. This is because you believe that you have found the true religion. When a person believes that their religion is the only true way they tend to classify people as being lost and saved. All religions have fundamentalist members who passionately believe that their book is inerrant and that their religion is true. Can you tolerate these divergent beliefs? I imagine that you've seen this quote from Mark Twain before - its contemporary relevance speaks volumes.

breathilizer

And what kind of hypocrisies would you be trying to point out? In case you didn't notice, atheists don't have a set of commandments. It's sort of hard to be hypocritical when you're not establishing a single moral code. Anything you'd find hypocricial on the part of an atheist would be completely unrlated to his or her atheism. If this is not the case, please give me an example of an atheist hypocracy

Faith

Jesus was resurrected on a Sunday. That's why Christians observe the Sabbath on that day.

funinspace

Ok, so you just think Ma 5:17-18 is wrong? I see your profile says "layed back Christian". I can understand the Sunday thing when a Christian acknowledges that the Bible is errant. But when they try to claim the cannon is divine and perfect, then it gets rather silly. Or are you going to offer an alternate meaning to the rather clear words of Jesus in Matthew that contradicts Paul's Epistles?

DK

Yahzi

Oops. That's what I get for reading quotes and not the original post.

Sorry, Usartist. I'll wait to declare my brilliant foresight until you actually out yourself.