Chili

How can there be historical data for the sun to stop that the sun stopped if the sun stopped. Consider that the sun has to stop to end this world for those who want to enter the kingdom of God and so they can only tell you that the sun stopped.

See John, I can now take you to the rich man's parable where it says that "you (impersonal) were well off in your lifetime" while Lazarus was in misery unto which the sun stopped. It is no secret that Christ is born on the darkest point in the poor mans life who's nourishment was the very bible passages that the rich man discarded. It must be true, therefore, that the sun stopped for the Christ-mass on which Christ is born and is therefore celebrated for two rich human days.

Then, John, we must live through the dreary days of winter if we would value spring, where the woods must be cold and silent (no halleluias in purgatory) before the sweetest warmest sunshine radiates from our Easter song to light up the glorious day on which evening never follows.

John A. Broussard

I lose.

Vorkosigan

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

How much wood could a woodchuck....

Chili

See, I told you, it did! . . .twice. First at Christmas and once more at Easter.

Avatar

Could I get a translation for this, please?

Awmte

"How can there be historical data for the sun to stop that the sun stopped if the sun stopped."
In Greek:
"Î*ÏŽÏ‚ μποÏ?οÏ?ν να υπάÏ?ξουν ιστοÏ?ικά στοιχεία για τον ήλιο που σταματά ότι ο ήλιος σταμάτησε εάν ο ήλιος σταμάτησε;"

Hope this parses better...

Chili

Well Avatar, we all know that the light of common day is an illusion or it would not get dark at night. It, the light of common day, serves us well but that is only because light itself pre-exists in us as a reality of which we have lost sight ever since we left Eden (*). This would be much the same as that the sound of a galloping horse is not the sound of a galloping horse until we know what the sound of a galloping horse sounds like, of which, we cannot say that the sound of a galloping horse is a metaphor, but is a recollection of the past. This same is true with sun wherein the light of common day is a recollection of the past, as if to say, 'there comes that horse again' . . . until we are estranged from reality to the extreme point of oblivion that we no longer see the light of common day (similar to the fading sound of a galloping horse).

* I think William Woodsworth wrote something like "we have lost sight of this celestial see which in a moment can travel hither" because "to me alone had come a time of grief" wherein (by extension of "losing sight") the sun did come to a stop.

My point was that the sun must stop before the celestial light can travel hither but it is precisely because the sun stopped that no rational account can be given that the sun stopped. To use a metaphor here "the house must be swept clean" or a herd of pigs (instead of the celestial light) will return, and if a herd of pigs returns we cannot testify to the light that came when the sun stopped because the sun did not stop and the celestial light never did come our way. See the difference between metaphor and fact?

The above makes the Beatific Vision a reality to be followed by the purgation period where darkness must be separated from light to make the Beatific Life a reality -- wherefore the sun stops for the second time and Magdalene was left in the dark when Jesus was crucified.

Notice also that the light of common day is only good to gather (as opposed to retain) food, wisdom and beauty.

Don't forget here that life is light and light is [the continuity of] life that pre-exists the light of common day (ie. beauty is the continuity of truth and there is nothing else).

spin

I know I will be truly sorry for asking but who be William Woodsworth?


isnp

Chili

He was just a poet who had one of those Beatific Visions and wrote about it.

Celsus

I thought he was a lumberjack. That would make him ok.