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Old 09-29-2009, 06:26 PM   #31
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Hydrologic evidence points to the rapid deposition of sedimentary rock layers. Therefore, the thousand's of metres of sediment must have been deposited by a catastrophic global flood.

Hydrologic evidence points to the world's sedimentary rocks being deposited in one continuous episode. All the layers could have been laid down by a single event, such as a global flood.

There is a worldwide occurrence of deep alluvial deposits and sedimentary rocks consistent with a huge global flood.

There is a universal occurrence of rivers in valleys too large for the present stream. Slow erosion over millions of years could not have created these valleys as the mountains would have eroded, keeping pace with the valley erosion. The drainage of global floodwaters from the land surface could easily create such wide valleys in a short period of time.

Laurence D Smart B.Sc.Agr., Dip.Ed., Grad.Dip.Ed



The lethal wound to uniformitarian geology is to be found within the great fossil graveyards that exist in every major country, especially the Americas. In these fossil graveyards vast numbers of creatures are violently mixed together. There are dinosaur graveyards in America and China with hundreds of dinosaurs mixed and buried together.

How did they get there in such vast quantities?

Many fossil graveyards are high up in mountainous areas. In Sicily, for example, four thousand feet above sea level on Mount Etna, there are two graves crammed with the bones of thousands of hippopotamus in each cave. On the island of Malta there are lions, tigers, mammoths, birds, beavers, hippopotamus and foxes all mixed together.

"Fossils are a great embarrassment to evolutionary theory." (Dr. Gary Parker, PhD - Biologist/Palaeontologist)

Dr. Steven Austin
John Woodmorappe.
Michael Oard.
Professor Donald DeYoung (a physics professor at Grace College in northern Indiana's Winona Lake

We can cut and paste as well as the next from a crackpot creationist website.

YOU know nothing on your own; you have not studied geology, never done field work, dont know a metaconglomerate from welded tuff.

IF... and this is as big if since it isnt the case...IF you could name a fossil bed with animals from different geological eras mixed together then you would have something. Never happens. Odd, considering that all the animals were supposed to have lived at the same time, camels, dinosaurs etc?

you wont find any that are "violently mixed together' let alone all of them.

As for your "how did they get there in such vast numbers", each fossil quarry is different. One that I have studied in some detail, in several trips there and reading all the research material, has hundreds of animals of several kinds all mixed together. People said, oh its the Flood. But... look really carefully.

some of the bones lay on the surface long enough to be weathered and cracked. Some show signs of chewing or trampling. some are intact skeletons, some are scattered. Not to go into all details, but it was a dried up waterhole, much like in African today.

Anyway... what you did was fire off a whole salvo of vague generalities.

You pick ONE fossil site, or other detail, and you can watch it be disproven.
Pick another. And another. You will never find one that will hold up.


"There is a worldwide occurrence of deep alluvial deposits and sedimentary rocks consistent with a huge global flood."

this of course is pure garbage, totally false. Shame on you. Unless you manage to find someone who has gone off the deep end, not one geologist on earth will say this. the data absolutely does not support this.

What you are doing could be considered bearing false witness. I've heard that is a sin.

Why do you suppose it is that the geologists paleontologists, etc and so on say there is no evidence of a "flood"? seriously? world wide atheist conspiracy? what?


Your willingness, and that of other theocreologists as i call them, to accept any sort of nonsense presented as fact and evidence about geology says much... none of it good..about your corresponding willingness to believe anything religious that happens to fit your beliefs.

Sloppy research with no standards is bad research no matter the topic.

I call shame and humbug.
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Name one.
Hydrologic evidence points to the rapid deposition of sedimentary rock layers. Therefore, the thousand's of metres of sediment must have been deposited by a catastrophic global flood.

Hydrologic evidence points to the world's sedimentary rocks being deposited in one continuous episode. All the layers could have been laid down by a single event, such as a global flood.

There is a worldwide occurrence of deep alluvial deposits and sedimentary rocks consistent with a huge global flood.

There is a universal occurrence of rivers in valleys too large for the present stream. Slow erosion over millions of years could not have created these valleys as the mountains would have eroded, keeping pace with the valley erosion. The drainage of global floodwaters from the land surface could easily create such wide valleys in a short period of time.

Laurence D Smart B.Sc.Agr., Dip.Ed., Grad.Dip.Ed



The lethal wound to uniformitarian geology is to be found within the great fossil graveyards that exist in every major country, especially the Americas. In these fossil graveyards vast numbers of creatures are violently mixed together. There are dinosaur graveyards in America and China with hundreds of dinosaurs mixed and buried together.

How did they get there in such vast quantities?

Many fossil graveyards are high up in mountainous areas. In Sicily, for example, four thousand feet above sea level on Mount Etna, there are two graves crammed with the bones of thousands of hippopotamus in each cave. On the island of Malta there are lions, tigers, mammoths, birds, beavers, hippopotamus and foxes all mixed together.

"Fossils are a great embarrassment to evolutionary theory." (Dr. Gary Parker, PhD - Biologist/Palaeontologist)

Dr. Steven Austin
John Woodmorappe.
Michael Oard.
Professor Donald DeYoung (a physics professor at Grace College in northern Indiana's Winona Lake
There's always one guy around at any given time that does stuff like this.

"Dr." Gary Parker -

http://www.asa3.org/archive/asa/199803/0260.html

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Dr. parker does NOT posess a Ph.D. He received his Ed.D. in Biology from Ball
State University in Muncie, Indiana in 1973. Checking the web site for Ball
State shows that the Ed.D is in science education with a specialty in biology.
It qualifies one to teach biology at the community college level or biology
methods at the university level. His minor (15 credit units) was in geology.
As furhter example of stretching credentials, Dr. Parker's dissertation title
was "The relationship of programmed instruction to test and discussion
performance among college biology students". Not exactly a biology
disertation, but probably a nice science education dissertation.
"Dr." Parker is also a suspected heterosexual, who works at AIG with his "wife" Ann.

Jesus IBIH, get serious.
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That's the thing, philosophy and theology can be argued until the cows come home, but when it comes to actual science, biblical inerrancy clearly becomes ridiculous.

Entire human race descended from two people?
No, overwhelming evidence against and not a shred of evidence to support it.

Global flood?
No, overwhelming evidence against and not a shred of evidence to support it.

And so on...

Don't you find it strange that the only real support for these claims comes mostly from people who have fake doctorate degrees? And have no empirical evidence? And never publish their claims in peer-reviewed scientific journals?
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Not so strange when you consider that the NTs Gospel authors thought it best to publish their 'research papers' anonymously.
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Message to IBelieveInHymn: If you wish to discuss the flood at the Evolution/Creation Forum, you will embarrass yourself. Even many conservative Christian experts, including geophysicist Glenn Morton, and astronomer Dr. Hugh Ross, know that a global flood did not occur.

Have you ever heard of hydrodynamic sorting? It conclusively proves that a global flood did not occur.
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Message to IBelieveInHymn: If you wish to discuss the flood at the Evolution/Creation Forum, you will embarrass yourself. Even many conservative Christian experts, including geophysicist Glenn Morton, and astronomer Dr. Hugh Ross, know that a global flood did not occur.

Have you ever heard of hydrodynamic sorting? It conclusively proves that a global flood did not occur.
One does not know the meaning of the phrase "lion's den" until one visits the Evolution/Creation Forum. If someone didn't pay attention in science class (and many don't) they will get EATEN ALIVE there.

Watch out for this guy named Occam's Aftershave... he has very sharp teeth.
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There has never been an archaeological discovery that has disproved the bible. Never was and never will be.
Actually there have been. Namely the absence of a consistent destruction layer across the 30 odd cities of Joshua's conquest at a time period that would fit into a single human's lifespan, and we have continuous records of enough of these cities that you can't just appeal to the 'gaps' as apologists like to do.

Other examples require that the Bible in the form it is today has errors, such as the confusion between Darius and Xerxes (the Bible calls Darius the son of Xerxes when in fact he was the father). Of these, there's simply too many to list.

Much of other archaeological evidence requires some inference (e.g. the fact that Jerusalem was a 2-horse village during the time of Solomon, or that camels weren't domesticated during the time of Abraham, or the total whitewashing of Asherah, Yahweh's wife, from the Biblical record, though well attested archaeologically - better attested than, say, Satan).

Basically, the archaeological record is very unkind to the Bible, and the more we discover, the less apologists want to talk about it. Keep your head in the sand there kiddo, you don't want to find out the truth about biblical archaeology.
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