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stuart shepherd · 03-10-2008, 04:30 PM

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"best disciple town" ...that certainly is staggering.
IMO the more carefully one examines the "Jesus story" the more it looks like fiction.

That may be the case. But the "analysis" of Arimathea presented here does not come anywhere close to being a "careful examination" of the Jesus story.

And that you seems to be incapable of seeing this doesn't say much for the validity of your judgement about what things do and do not look like

Jeffrey

Dear Jeffrey,
Take your ball and go home.

Stuart Shepherd

Jeffrey Gibson · 03-10-2008, 05:37 PM

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That may be the case. But the "analysis" of Arimathea presented here does not come anywhere close to being a "careful examination" of the Jesus story.

And that you seems to be incapable of seeing this doesn't say much for the validity of your judgment about what things do and do not look like

Jeffrey

Dear Jeffrey,
Take your ball and go home.

Thank you for demonstrating the strength of your argument.

Jeffrey

Jeffrey Gibson · 03-10-2008, 05:49 PM

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Please cut out the personal comments.

Thank you

Toto

You might characterize my statement to Stuart that he seems "to be incapable of seeing this doesn't say much for the validity of your judgment about what things do and do not look like" as a personal comment, but in point of fact it goes toward credibility.

If Stuart has no capability -- as is demonstrable -- for determining what is and is not a "careful analysis" of elements in the Jesus story, what reason have we to view his statements about the nature of the Gospels as being informed, as having any weight, or as worth being taken seriously?

Jeffrey

Toto · 03-10-2008, 05:59 PM

Jeffrey: stuart shepherd has not said that we should trust him because he's an expert. If he had, you could attack his credentials. But since he hasn't, his opinions are only conversation, and we ask that you address the issues, not the person.

And please do not hijack threads with a discussion of moderation issues, or create extra work for the moderators.

Jeffrey Gibson · 03-10-2008, 06:14 PM

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Jeffrey: stuart shepherd has not said that we should trust him because he's an expert.

Nor did I say he did.

What I spoke of was his assessment of Carrier's claim about the meaning of Arimathea as a "careful analysis" and the claim he made about how this "careful analysis" supports a judgment that the story of Jesus is fiction.

Jeffrey

Toto · 03-10-2008, 06:23 PM

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Jeffrey: stuart shepherd has not said that we should trust him because he's an expert.

Nor did I say he did.

What I spoke of was his assessment of Carrier's claim about the meaning of Arimathea as a "careful analysis" and the claim he made about how this "careful analysis" supports a judgment that the story of Jesus is fiction.

Jeffrey

Go back and read what he said: "IMO the more carefully one examines the "Jesus story" the more it looks like fiction." No description of Carrier's claim as a "careful analysis."

What part about not discussing moderation in thread do you not get?

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Jeffrey: stuart shepherd has not said that we should trust him because he's an expert. If he had, you could attack his credentials. But since he hasn't, his opinions are only conversation, and we ask that you address the issues, not the person. And please do not hijack threads with a discussion of moderation issues, or create extra work for the moderators.

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