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Chili · 06-07-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gstafleu

So, is this bit of rabbinic literature pre- or post-Mark? If pre, then it explains where Mark got this ingenious set-up where he has Jesus entering humbly on a donkey, while a little while later the dumb Jerusalemites accuse him of kingly aspirations.

Gerard Stafleu

. . . but truimphantly as opposed to Joseph who was 'dragging his ass' behind the donkey whereupon Mary was seated to lead Joseph to Bethlehem and there give an account of himself so that Christ may be born unto him.

We have icons on this that speak louder than bible passages but I forgot where they are. The two donkeys that Jesus straddled into the New Jerusalem are the [rejuvenated] Old and the New life wherefore Jerusalem was his final destination for which Galilee was just a purification stage.

Chili · 06-07-2008, 05:48 PM

Once only but that will be the "first coming for the Jews" and "the second coming for Catholics."

Chili · 06-08-2008, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeWallack

As Ehrman has righteously pointed out, this would be better translated as "My God, my God, why hast thou left me?" and supports the Separationists. Did "Mark" believe in split personalities? Apparently so as his Gospel is Legion with them. A related question I have which has never been satisfactorily answered by Christians is, say you had a split personality and only one personailty believed in Jesus. Would the believing personality save the entire body or would the damning personality damn the entire body? Everybody is welcome to answer except for Harvey Dubish.

Not that difficult to answer Joe because the bible is very clear on this. The peronality is a condition of being that was added to man in Gen. 3 when and why shame first became known to man (notice that in Gen.2:25 they were naked and felt no shame). This first identity to which Joseph was reborn is called Jesus (who's cross was the sin nature that held Joseph's world) and so the second identity that was added in Gen. 3 alone is crucified here but not until the first identity wherein we are son-of-the father (there called Bar-abbas) is set free and that did not happen until the disciples had forsaken him so that they could be raised to unite with the bare naked ego after Jesus was raised for which also his Jewish garb was spoiled so that only Pure Reason could prevail in heaven.

Chili · 06-08-2008, 07:28 AM

Too late to edit so here is a new post for clarity:

Not that difficult to answer Joe because the bible is very clear on this. The peronality is a condition of being that was added to man in Gen. 3 when and why shame first became known to man (notice that in Gen.2:25 they were naked and felt no shame). This first identity to which Joseph was reborn is called Jesus (who's cross was the sin nature that held Joseph's world) and so the second identity that was added in Gen. 3 alone is crucified here but not until the first identity wherein we are son-of-the father (there called Bar-abbas) is set free and that did not happen until the disciples had forsaken him so that they could be raised to unite with the bare naked ego after Jesus was raised, for which also his Jewish garb was spoiled so that only Pure Reason could prevail in heaven.

Forsaken is better because Mark does not know that resurrection follows the crisis moment. Matthew does not know this either which is exactly why Christ came and Luke was written.

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06-07-2008, 05:48 PM	#2
Chili Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 11,885	Once only but that will be the "first coming for the Jews" and "the second coming for Catholics."

06-08-2008, 07:28 AM	#4
Chili Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 11,885	Too late to edit so here is a new post for clarity: Not that difficult to answer Joe because the bible is very clear on this. The peronality is a condition of being that was added to man in Gen. 3 when and why shame first became known to man (notice that in Gen.2:25 they were naked and felt no shame). This first identity to which Joseph was reborn is called Jesus (who's cross was the sin nature that held Joseph's world) and so the second identity that was added in Gen. 3 alone is crucified here but not until the first identity wherein we are son-of-the father (there called Bar-abbas) is set free and that did not happen until the disciples had forsaken him so that they could be raised to unite with the bare naked ego after Jesus was raised, for which also his Jewish garb was spoiled so that only Pure Reason could prevail in heaven. Forsaken is better because Mark does not know that resurrection follows the crisis moment. Matthew does not know this either which is exactly why Christ came and Luke was written.

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