aa5874

Please, you are just not making any sense.

Do we NOT have ACTUAL DATED NT manuscripts???

Some are DATED to the 2nd century, are they NOT???

Well, I am using the DATED NT manuscripts and Sources that are COMPATIBLE with them to DEVELOP my theory that the Pauline writings are Anti-Marcionite Texts written some time in the 2nd century or Later and that the Jesus story was known to the Pauline writers.

You seem to be RELYING on your imagination as a source of history.

The writings of Justin Martyr are Compatible with the DATED NT manuscripts---they SHOW a BIG BLACK HOLE for the ACTIVITIES of the disciples and Paul before c 70 CE.

aa5874

One of the most significant Jesus story is the one found in the short-ending gMark.

The Jesus of the short-ending gMark is a Secret Messiah and Son of God.

So, we have a Jesus story where the character is NOT recognised as a Messiah and Son of God by the "OUTSIDERS", [Jews and Non-Jews] only a Select few.

If Jesus did exist during the time of Pilate then based on gMark people would simply think he was a prophet--NOT the Christ and the Son of a God.

Now remember the short-ending gMark is BELIEVED to have been written AFTER Nero was dead which is also believed to be AFTER Paul was dead based on Apologetic sources.

The short-ending gMark Jesus story CONTRADICTS, later Synoptics, gJohn, the Pauline letters and Acts of the Apostles.

gMark's Jesus MUST be UNKNOWN by the OUTSIDERS as the Christ and Son of God until AFTER the Jewish Temple has fallen and Jerusalem is desolate.

gMark's Jesus came to fullfil prophecy, that is, Jesus MUST be REJECTED as the Son of God and Messiah in order for the Jewish Temple to fall and for Jerusalem to become desolate.

In gMark 13, it is claimed Jesus PRIVATELY told his disciples that the Jewish Temple would fall and AFTER that event the Son of Man will be coming again.

The short-ending gMark story only makes sense if it was written BEFORE it was claimed thatJesus was the Son of God and Messiah whether or not Jesus did actually exist.

In other words, there was NO story or actual character called Jesus known to the Jews as the Son of God and Messiah UP TO the time the short-ending gMark.

In effect, all the writings of the Canon MUST be AFTER the short-ending gMark.

We can examine the INTERPOLATED gMark and see the Jesus story was COMPLETELY changed simply by adding 12 verses in the 16th chapter.

The original gMark Jesus was supposed to be a SECRET Messiah and Son of God but the INTERPOLATOR ORDERED the disciples to GO ALL OVER the world to tell people that Jesus was Christ, the Son of God and was RAISED from the dead.

It was the INTERPOLATED gMark that STARTED the Jesus cult based on the Canon. The authors of the LATER Gospel appear to have ATTENDED the Interpolated Markan church or heard the INTERPOLATOR PREACH the gMark story that Jesus was RAISED from the dead.

The words of the INTERPOLATOR has been documented and the Pauline writers OBEYED his Command.

Interpolated gMark 16:15 KJV Now LISTEN to the Pauline writer.

Romans 15:19 KJV The author of the short-ending gMark did NOT authorise any one to preach Jesus was the Son of God and Messiah who was raised from the dead.

It was the INTERPOLATOR of gMark who effectively AUTHORISED the Pauline writers to preach the Gospel and compose Epistles.

aa5874

It is IMPERATIVE that we understand that the Pauline writer claimed he Persecuted the CHURCH of God.

This is MOST significant.

The Pauline letters to Churches had ZERO, NIL, NOTHING to do with the START of the Jesus cult of Christians.


1 Corinthians 15:9 KJVGalatians 1:13 KJV Now the PERSECUTION of the Church of God could NOT have happened BEFORE there were Churches.

The DATED Texts of antiquity suggest there were NO Jesus cult of the Church of God until the 2nd century.

The Pauline writer could have ONLY persecuted the Church of God in the 2nd century or LATER.

Duvduv

Quite an anachronism in the epistles there! We are given the impression there are TONS of "Christians" and churches in the two years before Paul converted since the crucifixion......so many churches around Judea.......and here was this freelancer within a period of barely two years or less dragging people out of their houses.......Churches of God based on OTHER GOSPELS of MEN who saw the Christ but NOT the gospel of the RISEN Christ. And this never bothers Paul, does it. Regardless of whether they were Jews or gentiles, they didn't have the real gospel, did they? And in those two short years the movement flourished, and we still know nothing of Paul during the so-called lifetime of Jesus in Judea.

Sheshbazzar

And not just Judea, but even in the foreign city of Damascus in Syria.
"And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem." (Acts 9:2)

Huon

Remark : Following Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, is not following Christ ...

Duvduv

Why would the writer "Paul" be writing to people who he already knows don't even follow him? He is supposedly writing to his followers, and here we see that some of the people don't even follow him at all. So why would they listen to him in Corinth? And how could someone be following "Christ" in juxtaposition to the other three people, when the other three are "apostles"?
(I am asking these questions rhetorically within the context of the text, since there is no evidence of any letters written to Corinth or received by anyone in Corinth anyway).

Duvduv

Speaking of churches, the very use of the term in the NT texts reveals interpolations: the use of the term in GMatthew 16:18-19 clearly does not fit into the text (Peter the "rock" on which the church would be built and suddenly turns into Satan).
And the totally anachronistic interpolation in GMatt 18:15-17 which doesn't even fit into the context of the text at all.