aa5874

Examine any so-called Pauline Epistles and read the first few verses and you will immediately Notice that Churches were ALREADY in existence BEFORE each letter was supposedly written.

Romans 1. 1 Corinthians 1 Galatians 1 Ephesians 1.

Philippians 1.

Colossians 11 Thessalonians 1 The so-called Pauline Epistles SHOW that BEFORE the very letters were written there were ALREADY people who had Heard of the Jesus stories and had developed Churches WITH BISHOPS and DEACONS.

These Churches supposedly FUNCTIONED WITHOUT the Pauline letters. Whether or not there were Pauline letters there would be Saints, Deacons Bishops and the Christian Faith.

[ It is EXTREMELY significant to understand that the so-called Pauline letters did NOT start any Jesus cult.

It is EXTREMELY significant to understand the letters CAME AFTER the Christian Faith was ALREADY KNOWN and circulated.

The Pauline Gospel did NOT start the Christian Faith it was the Jesus stories and the LETTERS came AFTER.

aeebee50

I was hoping for someone to comment about churches being in existence since the dawn of man. Here the term of churches must refer to Christian Churches which would have started with Peter.

Tigers!

Humour me.
Why is that a problem?

aa5874

Who is Peter??? What credible historical source has identified a character called Peter and has identified Peter as the one who started Churches of the Jesus cult.

May I remind you that sources which mentioned a character called Peter are effectively Myth Fables and cannot be accepted as history.

In the Canon, Peter was a "WITNESS" and Participated in Fictitious events.

Peter ATTEMPTED to walk on WATER towards Jesus and was PRESENT when the Resurrected Jesus AUTHORISED the preaching of the gMark Jesus story to the Whole world.

The Apostle Peter is a Fiction character in Myth Fables of the Canon.

Keith&Co.

But the people calling themselves Christains at the time had beliefs all over the map. They believed John Baptist was the messiah.
they believed Jesus slipped off the cross at the last second and placed Satan there to be punished.
The believed in two gods, one good and one evil.

I tend tothink those that hold Paul to be the inventor of christainity mean he's the main source for the core beliefs of modern christainity... not every single form, sect, schism and lone practitioner.

Duvduv

Well, I guess to a large extent we can thank Yeshu son of Pandera and Miriam for all of this......whoops, shame on me. I forgot, we're not supposed to give credence to anything in the Talmud on this subject, so I guess we go back to good old Irenaeus, Eusebius and the rest of the "credible" sources.

aa5874

Why is that a problem you ask???

Why are people claiming that the Pauline letters are the earliest source for the Jesus mevement when there is NO credible evidence whatsoever???

The Pauline letters were written to Churches with Bishops and Deacons and had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the Start of any Jesus cult anywhere in the Roman Empire.

The Pauline writings were NOT ever needed and were NOT even written before any Jesus cult began.

The Jesus cult was DEVELOPED before any Pauline letters were written.

Examine the Letter to the Romans 1.7-8 The Whole World knew of the Christian Faith in Rome BEFORE the letter to the Romans.

The Pauline letters had ZERO, NIL, NOTHING to do with the start Jesus cult in the WHOLE Roman Empire.

aa5874

You appear to be referring to 2nd century Beliefs because NO Jesus story has been found and DATED to the 1st century.

There is a BIG BLACK HOLE for Paul and the Pauline letters in the 1st century except for the Forgeries of the 4th century or later Paul/Seneca letters.

How is it even reasonable to expect that Churches that ALREADY had a system of Bishops and Deacons ALL over the Roman Empire would depend on Paul FIRST to get converted and then hope he writes them a letter???

Please, the Churches MUST have had THEIR Gospel BEFORE the Pauline letters.

Philippians 1 The Pauline letters HAD NOTHING whatsoever to do with the Start of the Jesus cult of Christians--NOTHING--ZERO-NIL.

Bronzeage

Why would someone write a letter to something that wasn't there?


It would be a more interesting case if it could be shown Paul wrote letters to Christian Communities which did not exist.

aa5874

What!!!!

Please EXPLAIN why Joseph Smith wrote his BIBLE BEFORE he started Mormonism???

It is claimed Joseph Smith WROTE his Mormon Bible as directed by the Angel Moroni Before the Mormon religion was started.

It is also claimed Muhammad wrote the Quran as delivered by the Angel Gabriel BEFORE the Muslim religion was STARTED.

The Jesus story was ALREADY WRITTEN and preached, Churches were ALREADY Developed with Bishops and Deacons BEFORE a single Pauline letter was written.

Astonishingly, the Pauline letters are PROOF that Paul was NOT the earliest source for the Jesus cult of Christians.