Clouseau

Is that Christian teaching, or is it what some like to think is Christian teaching?

Chili

Kitty, the Jewish flood has been replaced with Advent in Catholicism. Both are real in that they can have the same effect on people but not as a historical event.

Edited to add "not"

Rich Oliver

Well it is certainly what the Bible says. Either the geologists, archaeologists, paleontologists, etc are utterly mistaken or the Bible is utterly mistaken. Lets have no truck with this metaphorical interpretation nonsense. The Bible is not true. Period.

Jo

Some Christians. You have the young earth creationists and the old earth creationists.

Clouseau

So that the world was created about 6000 years ago is not Christian teaching. It seems to be what those who oppose Christianity like to say is Christian teaching. (It's quite amazing how such people so readily describe Christians as 'fundies', yet they are entrenched fundies themselves.)

The only chink in Christian apologia seems to be a contradiction with science, but this also is a phantasm. It would appear that Christianity's victory is absolute.

Clouseau

Quite so- or at least, those who call themselves Christians. It may be that the young earth people are merely a fifth column attempting to give sceptics an apparent foothold.

It has been believed by contemporaries of Darwin onwards (including Darwin himself, his Presbyterian botanist friend Asa Gray, and the fervent Anglican Wallace) that evolution etc. has no necessary conflict or even point of contact with Genesis. Even Maimonides, long before The Beagle sailed, maintained that an allegorical sense in early Genesis was to be accepted.

Rich Oliver

Indeed you do.

Personally I am not totally unsympathetic to all the arguments of the old earth creationists. I am skeptical about big bang. I don't feel the proposed evolutionary mechanism explains evolution and I certainly don't believe that consciousness is an accidental byproduct (an epiphenomena) of quasi reproductive competition between amino acid molecules. However none of this is in any way what so ever, a reason for following the Bible, the Koran, their self appointed interpreters or the latest psycho guru who claims he's got a hot line to the creator of the universe.

Vicious Love

No, no, you've got it all wrong. The fundies are the True Christians, and you're actually a petulant Confucian sleeper agent sent in to spew venom and condemnation at absolutely everyone who does not share your exact beliefs. That's the real conspiracy, inscrutable Eastern faiths using False Christians like yourself to sow dissent in the West.

The Evil Atheist Conspiracy, for its part, makes a point of only using overtly atheistic agents and institutions in its operations. Religious unrest is quelled through assassination, imprisonment, and hostage-taking, not false flag campaigns. The idea that fundies are actually deep-cover atheist agents is ludicrous, and the plain fact that your family has not yet been abducted is evidence that your arguments are nonsense.

Mods, any chance of splitting this uniquely Clouseau-esque derail ~Elsewhere~?

Clouseau

They must be- how else can atheism survive?

Vicious Love

You appear to be under the impression that Christianity would be more successful were people to associate "Christian" or "True Christian(R)" with folks such as yourself.

Allow me to respond by pointing at my monitor and laughing hysterically.

Done.