Steven Carr

Luke 16
29“Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30“ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ �

Jesus makes a good point here.

The disciples saw Moses himself , raised from the dead at the Transfiguration, and they still not believe Jesus , when he said that he would also be raised after 3 days.

Why were the disciples not transformed by the resurrection of Moses and Elijah?

Surely this is unbelievable.

This was MOSES and ELIJAH who appeared to the disciples, and they still had no faith in Jesus , when all happened in Jerusalem just as he had prophesied.

Today, Christians have unshakebale faith , having done no more than read these stories in a book, but we are asked to believe that Moses and Elijah could appear to Jews,and they still would desert the person they followed.

Godless Wonder

How would they have recognized these guys as Moses and Elijah.? Wouldn't they go:

"Hmm, 2 new guys appeared. Who are they?"
"That's Moses and Elijah."
"Yeah, right. No really, who are they?"

Chris Weimer

Wouldn't the fact that the guys merely appeared out of thin air be enough?

SSbyG

One would think so.

funinspace

Ok Godless Wonder provided a way Xians could argue out of that box.

Even better testimony before their own eyes:

13:21
And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them
the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by
day and night:
13:22
He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire
by night, from before the people.
13:21
And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them
the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by
day and night:
13:22
He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire
by night, from before the people.
14:24
And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the
host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and
troubled the host of the Egyptians,
14:27
And Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to
his strength when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled against
it; and the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea.
14:28
And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and
all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained
not so much as one of them.
16:6
And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel, At even, then
ye shall know that the LORD hath brought you out from the land of Egypt:
16:7
And in the morning, then ye shall see the glory of the LORD; for that he
heareth your murmurings against the LORD: and what are we, that ye murmur
against us?
16:8
And Moses said, This shall be, when the LORD shall give you in the
evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the
LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are
we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the LORD.
16:13
And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the
camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host.
16:14
And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the
wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on
the ground.
16:15
And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is
manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is
the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.

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They saw all the above with their own eyes, and we yet are to believe they could change so fast as to do the below?

32:4 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

Either this is fictional, or the Israelit's were retards!

Roland

I have often wondered this too about the end of Matthew's gospel, where the apostles see a resurrected Jesus and we are told that "some" still did not believe. On what basis, then, are WE expected to believe the story having witnessed none of this first hand?

Gawen

Cause everyone else does it damnit, and you don't want to be the only one in the family that....


or


Faith

Kosh

Please.

"Ignorant Bronze Age Goatherders (tm)", but not retards!

Matthew_Green

Excellent point. Even if I thought I saw Jesus appear to me, that wouldn't be enough in itself to convince me. It's a step in the right direction though but not sufficient in itself. I would have to verify that I wasn't hallucinating/imagining Jesus appearing to me and if there was any external reality to what I saw, I would also have to verify that I wasn't the victim of a cruel joke (i.e. aliens getting bored and deciding to have fun with humans or the god of another religion playing tricks on me and seeing if I convert to a false religion).

Matthew

Wads4

Speak for yourself.