spin

Your omission wasn't wise. The narrative Jesus, ie the one in the narrative, died. We must be clear about what we are talking about so that you don't lose track of the focus.

I try not to misrepresent the text.

Mk doesn't supply anything after the tomb was found empty. The others supply what's known as resurrection narratives. This is because they want to show a Jesus who had died, but was no longer dead. That's essential to the theology of the gospel story. What's the point to christians, if the dead stay dead?


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makerowner

How is that more likely? Are you suggesting that he survived the crucifixion? Or that the crucifixion never happened? Either way, you have to provide some better reasons for anyone to believe you. If he survived it, why did all the gospels say he died? How did he survive? If he was never crucified, why would his disciples make up such a humiliating way for him to die?
What is much more likely is that he died, and that the resurrection story developed years later. Why is that hard to believe?
But again, you're failing to distinguish between what happens in the story and whether or not that story is true. It's very clear in the gospels that Jesus died and was resurrected. It doesn't matter whether or not it actually happened. (It didn't, but that doesn't matter.) In the story he died and came back to life.

aa5874

So, the authors are forced to claim that Jesus died so that they can resurrect him.

In gMark, with the short ending, Jesus' dead body should be in the tomb, but it is not there. According to the author of Mark 16.6, an angel or a man in a long white garment said, "....He is risen. He is not here........

So the visitors come to where Jesus is supposed to be dead and buried, and lo and behold, he is not there, he just vanished. Did the dead man just walk away? What happened?

Mark 16.8, "And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulcher; for they trembled and were amazed; neither said they anything to any man, for they were afraid."

Where's the dead man? Did he recover? Jesus..... Jesus....... where are you?

That's the close of the short-ending.

spin

Strange use of "forced".

You have the same text as I have. The text says he died. The text has an angel say he has risen. Ergo?

You remind me of a person who has never seen a mirror before and who looks around the side to see where the reflection has gone. The text is as it is. Deal with it, rather than filling the spaces with your longings.

Yup.


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aa5874

Your Jesus has vanished without a trace. Yup.

spin

Why "[y]our" Jesus? This is one of your typical non sequiturs. :wave:


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QuestionMark

People throw this 5 letter word around without defining it.

What is an angel?

Is an 'angel' in the same barn with 'unicorn'?

QM?

spin

More non sequiturs? Too bad.


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aa5874

Your statement appears to be in error.
Why do you mis-represent the text?

According to all the authors, Jesus was placed in a tomb, but he was never seen when visited on the first day of the week. There is no account of Jesus between putting him in the tomb and the visit.

QuestionMark

I don't follow you.

QM?