Ted Hoffman

I am afraid you will have to be more specific. Only the Boxer religion seems to have been caught by the radar of history.
Where did this rebellion take place? Who was the leader?

Emperor Meiji came to power in 1868. This is way past 1842. And who said the Emperor represented a fulfilment of the Shinto Prophecy?

Please attempt to be more specific.
Joseph Smith said Jesus would come back in 1891 (when he would be 85).
SDA's expected Jesus to come back in 1844. And later 1853 or in 1888.
The Jehovah's Witnesses have 'explain-aways' why the Lord did not come in 1874,1878, 1914,1925,1975, or 1984.

Are these what you are referring to? The SDA's 'Great disappointment' was most widely known.

What the hell have these got to do with Bahai? Bahau'llah's visit o Haifa in 1890?

I await your specific references sir.

Denial is not an option. If you are arguing that fulfilment of some prophecy was going on, you should be willing to demonstrate it. "Denial" has connotations of "refusal to admit" yet a case has not been made yet.
What Bahai prophecy are you referring to?
What do you mean "simultaneously"? You havent specified anything you are referring to and the events you allude to are decades apart - are these hapening simultaneously?

Decades apart cannot be described as "simultaneous"
What Bahai prophecy are you referring to?

"What God hath wrought" occured twice? What are you talking about?

You have failed to do this sir. An event must have a date and place. You have only given one remote event "what God hath wrought" - what other events are you referring to?

Denial is not an option.

Last day of what?

This is incorrect.
The exact passage, which is found in The Valley of Knowledge says:
Split the atom's heart, and lo!
Within it thou wilt find a sun

The atom is compared to a drop of water in a sea. The sea represents the endless Manifestations of God (Moses, Jesus, Krishna, etc etc). The drop is one of the manifestations. The sun or light refers to divine wisdom/knowledge or "the secrets of the sea". What it means is that in each of the manifestations, there is divine knowledge.

I am looking forward to that. But a religion cannot "bring a new vision of science" - unless its masquerading as a science. A religion can only bring a new vision of religion, however scientifically close its dressed up to look.
I will desist from being abrasive. Its precisely because I am considering your views that I am posting here.
It does not matter that the Bahais are comfortable. Their comfort does not preclude that religion is antithetical to science. Even Muslims are quite comfortable that Muhammad was Allah's 'true' prophet. It doesn't mean squat.

Bahai has not done any different women are still oppressed in many parts of the world. The only people it has brought together are the Bahais. And that will remain to be the case so long as it remains a religion. Religion, by its very definition is parochial and gets its identity from other religions by rejecting some of its tenets. I see Bahai as a religion that has cross purposes: it wants to be universal yet it excludes others - like those that don't believe in a creator, those that don't believe in miracles, the Jesus freaks, the Muslims, the Hindus etc. Its doomed to fail in meeting its objectives.

Don't you know there are still several places in the world where Muslim women are not supposed to remove the burka? What does it matter if a 'standard' that was declared only affected a few women?
Its like someone forming a society of nudists for example then after get a few goons to join him. He states that he set a new standard for a new age.

These are pronouncements whose application are supposed to be universal. The only problem is that they emanate from a parochial outfit that among other things, buries its members with their heads facing the 'holy land'. Scientists cannot be party to such rituals.
Muhammad ibn Abdalla proclaimed himself the Mahdi, or the “expected one,� in 1881. He 'slaughtered the British Garissons' in 1883. This is not close to 1844 sir. So again, this too zooms past the radar of Bahai prophecies.

Are you talking about Henry Thoreau and Elizabeth Peabody?

From the rest of your posts, all significant (and 'good') events that happened 1844 +/- 20 years were prophesised or had something to do with Bahai religion. This is too arbitrary and self-serving.

So, my question is, are they linked to Bahai because they happened when they did or because they were prophesized? And the women who were in slavery who got raped in those years - dod bahai have something to do with that?

If they were prophesized, we need to look at the specific prophecies you are referring to. Then we can examine the events.

So far, I think whats clear is the "prophecy" regarding the atom splitting (which I have refuted).
Just state the prophecies, then we see if we can map them to specific dates and events.

DamienVryce

This at least partially true. One example is the German Knights Templar, who left Europe for Haifa, and formed a colony there. Many of their homes have been renovated and line Ben Gurien Avenue at the foot of Mount Carmel.

Baha'u'llah met with them several times, as did 'Abdu'l-Baha, but they did not accept the Baha'i Faith, much to the chagrin of the Baha'is. Eventually, most of the German Templars left Haifa for Europe, unfulfilled.

I'm not aware of too many other organized movements, but do remember reading about a general buzz in that time period, though nothing too specific.

chimaira

can hello, then nobody inform me about bahullah?

DamienVryce

Baha'u'llah was the prophet founder of the Baha'i Faith. He was born to a noble family, later joined the Babi movement, and assumed leadership, eventually claiming to be a "Manifestation of God," essentially God incarnate similar to the station of Christ in Christian thought. The official Baha'i website is here.

If you have any other specific questions, I'll do my best to answer them.

Ted Hoffman

From my readings, they set out to build the first planned agricultural community in Haifa. I can't find any evidence that they were millenarian in anyway.

chimaira

thank you for the bond, but which is the opinion of the Christians on bahaullah?

shunyadragon

Planet Baha'i is also a good site.

DamienVryce

Well, it kind of depends on what Christian you talk to. As they're still Christians, they obviously don't believe him to be the return of Christ as he claims. Most would probably consider him to be a false prophet, or merely deluded.

Others I've talked to believe him to be the anti-Christ, the Beast, or Satan the deceiver. As I said, it kind of depends on who you ask.

shunyadragon

My original reply to this long post was wiped out by net problems in China. I do plan to explore a more orderly approach to this subject that does not wander off a thread topic. possibly a debate.

Good challenges and they will make interesting descussion. I see some miscommunication that can be cleared up with more preparation on my part.

Go with the flow the river knows.

Frank

chimaira

a Christian me A say that baha ullah was the copy of Christ, therefore it is not Christ but a copy thus it is a false Christ!!!