hope's daughter

It is not a command Vinnie. It is a plea from a brutilized and conquered people (once proud BTW)

Vinnie

Yes but Jesus' apostles didn't write it down. Traditional authorship is not feasible outside of the Gospel of Luke. At any rate, in the Gospels Jesus no where clearly claims to be God outside of the Gospel of John. I have a lengthy article up which exposted the incompatibilty of the synoptic sayings material and that of the Johannine gospel. Before you use the Johannine sayings material to reconstruct the claims of the historical Jesus I expect a thorough rebuttal of my 20 page article. Don't worry though, a good hunk of it is just scripture. You game? Didn't think so

Vinnie

Magus55

He can call himself Christian all he wants, doesn't mean he is. Anyone who accepts the very questionable Gospel of Thomas, over the Bible, and denounces the Trinity, Jesus' divinity, and the supernatural ( i.e the death and ressurection of Christ) falls into the category the Bible mentions:


Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Vinnie

That is fairly obvious. The point was on how fundamentals proof-text hunt and use scripture. They take, interpret and apply whatever they can literaly---unless they strongly disagree with it. For instance, Magus rebuttal to this Psalm in this very thread. Do you agree with Magus's response?

Vinnie

Vinnie

Not an orthodox Christian, But a theist within the Christian tradition. Qualifies me as a Christian. There are over 30,000 denominations. Theres room for one more

Vinnie

Be sure to question the Gospel of Thomas all you want in here. I will contend for the faith entrusted unto me and all the Thomas Saints. Traditional authorship claims it was written by an eyewitness follower of Jesus. It is on equal footing as the Gospel of Matthew and John!

Vinnie

Demigawd

Magus, how about you address how you've discerned which parts of the bible are merely the opinions of men versus divinely inspired by God before you start judging whether or not someone else is a christian or not? Your evasion is not all that flattering to your credibility.

Vinnie

You can call me a non-Christian all you want, doesn't mean I am one

I could stay here and slap you around all night. Its pretty amusing but I need to do something a little more productive. Laters for now

Vinnie

Roland

Of course it makes it less valid. I'm not saying Jesus DIDN'T say it, just that there's no way we can be sure. Just as people can quote accurately or inaccurately what someone says, the best we can say is that someone CLAIMS another person said something, not that he actually did.

Speaking of the apostles writing down Jesus' words, why did John write down totally different words from those that Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote down? I've never put much stock in John's quotes. I figure that if Jesus actually said them, the other writers would have included at least some of them in their accounts as well.

Magus55

Who knows, maybe the Psalmist giving his opinion is what makes it inspired. God wanted the Bible to be truth, not lies to sound good. Maybe the Psalmist would have hid his true feelings about punishment, but God wanted his true opinion to be shown.

And since when do I care about my credibility amongst atheists? I could be the most credible person in the world, but the fool will still say in his heart, "There is no God". I will never convince you, nor am I trying to. I'm presenting the truth as revealed to me through the word of God and the Holy Spirit. The rest is up to you. Whether you accept it or not is your choice and nothing I say or do will ever change that. I am just a messenger.