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Clivedurdle · 06-06-2006, 05:05 AM

Druidism was replete with triadic concepts:

"Worship the gods, be manly, tell the truth"

The Druids were one part of a three fold group of scholars in Celtic societies across Europe and the Middle East - the Druids who are said to have had a twenty year training in the arts of memory, and were the priest phlosophers - magi does seem to be related, the second group Vatis were the Poets - a modern version is Fein or Finian. The third group were the Bards. Poets and Druids were similar - both were skilled in magic . Women were trained in all three orders. The Bards were feared because of their skills of oratory and satire and praise.

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The Celtic tribe consisted of the King, the men of learning - Druids, Prophets and Bards, the warriors and finally the artisans and craftsmen; the unskilled people were regarded as being of little consequence. The Druid had many functions, his training was long and arduous...he had several important roles priest, prophet, and very importantly, teacher, physician, guardian of the laws and genealogies.

Interesting how the stories of David Samuel et al match these concepts! The character of Jesus also has many of these characteristics. Goliath, as a giant, is an obvious god.

There is even a link with Simon Magus - Magus was interchangeable with Druid in the medieval period in Ireland.

In the three centuries BCE significant numbers of celts moved into Asia Minor. They were in Galatia -

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"O foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you?...Now after ye have known God, or rather, are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Ye observe days, and months and times and years. (Gal 3 1, 4, 10 - 11).

There was not really a conflict between Pagans and Xians - the Druidic concept worship the gods is easily adapted to worship god. In any case xianity agreed with the Druids about three gods! Be manly, tell the truth did not change and became the basis of knighthood, chivalry and justice.

The Trinity is probably Celtic.

http://www.celtnet.org.uk/gods_l/lugus.html

It is strange the focus on a few texts without looking at what we do know about the development of religions, how ideas cross fertilise and change.

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The Celts were at the height of their powers the masters of Europe. Where there origins lie is still in question 'Was it in the West, in Ireland, or in Central Europe, in the Danube region?....If you could have taken an aeroplane in the Iron Age and flown from the Baltic to the Mediterranean, and from the Black sea to the West of Ireland, your whole journey would have been over Celtic occupied terrain."

Islam would also seem to have direct links with the worship of the moon.

mountainman · 06-06-2006, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Druidism was replete with triadic concepts:

"Worship the gods, be manly, tell the truth"

The Druids were one part of a three fold group of scholars in Celtic societies across Europe and the Middle East - the Druids who are said to have had a twenty year training in the arts of memory, and were the priest phlosophers - magi does seem to be related, the second group Vatis were the Poets - a modern version is Fein or Finian. The third group were the Bards. Poets and Druids were similar - both were skilled in magic . Women were trained in all three orders. The Bards were feared because of their skills of oratory and satire and praise.

Interesting how the stories of David Samuel et al match these concepts! The character of Jesus also has many of these characteristics. Goliath, as a giant, is an obvious god.

There is even a link with Simon Magus - Magus was interchangeable with Druid in the medieval period in Ireland.

In the three centuries BCE significant numbers of celts moved into Asia Minor. They were in Galatia -

There was not really a conflict between Pagans and Xians - the Druidic concept worship the gods is easily adapted to worship god.In any case xianity agreed with the Druids about three gods! Be manly, tell the truth did not change and became the basis of knighthood, chivalry and justice.

The Trinity is probably Celtic.

http://www.celtnet.org.uk/gods_l/lugus.html

It is strange the focus on a few texts without looking at what we do know about the development of religions, how ideas cross fertilise and change.

It is also noteworthy to mention that Constantine would have had
first hand knowledge of the practices, and the contemporary history
and literature of Druidism while he was in Briton with his father for
some years prior to securing Rome for himself.

Pete Brown

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