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Old 05-28-2006, 01:36 PM   #1
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"Lord" or "Master". A Celtic agricultural deity of the Essuvi (Gaul), who derived their name from him. His cult was associated with the bull (with three skulls) and he is portrayed with one. He is also represented cutting branches from trees with an axe. According to some he was a bloodthirsty god, while other regard him as a god of commerce (similar to Mercury). His consort is Rosmerta.
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I'm reading Druids (or via: amazon.co.uk) by Dr Anne Ross - apologies on someone elses computer and it is very slow finding links, and it comments that Druids as well as being highly learned were also into large scale human sacrifice.

Has anyone commented that the basis of xianity is also a human sacrifice to appease god, and asked if xianity has evolved from druidism?
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Human sacrifice is not unique to Druidism - it existed in early Judaism and the Greek and Roman pagan religions - so I don't see a necessary connection.

Missionaries have used the human sacrifice of Jesus to convert tribes that still practice human sacrifice, by persuading them that Jesus' sacrifice was the last one needed.
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"Lord" or "Master". A Celtic agricultural deity of the Essuvi (Gaul), who derived their name from him. His cult was associated with the bull (with three skulls) and he is portrayed with one. He is also represented cutting branches from trees with an axe. According to some he was a bloodthirsty god, while other regard him as a god of commerce (similar to Mercury). His consort is Rosmerta.
Shiva has been traditionally associated with the bull and with many skulls
from the emergence of Hinduism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization



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Has anyone commented that the basis of xianity is also a human sacrifice to appease god, and asked if xianity has evolved from druidism?
IIRC, the myth says that Esus was baptised by Ohn the Aptist.
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There are interesting articles about Esus at
http://www.chronarchy.com/esus/esus-jesus.html and
http://www.chronarchy.com/mjournal/p...aboutesus.html

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IIRC, the myth says that Esus was baptised by Ohn the Aptist.


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Human sacrifice is not unique to Druidism - it existed in early Judaism and the Greek and Roman pagan religions - so I don't see a necessary connection.

Missionaries have used the human sacrifice of Jesus to convert tribes that still practice human sacrifice, by persuading them that Jesus' sacrifice was the last one needed.
What is interesting about druidic human sacrifice is that it involved chopping off of heads - did the judaic ribes do that, and or dumping bodies in peat bogs - has anyone connected that to Baptism? Heads were worshipped.

Boudica impaled Roman women on trees. Another method was by stabbing - anyone linked this to the crucifixion?

I wonder if xianity is far closer to druidism than thought. Gnosticism seems very similar.

David has all the hallmarks of a druidic warrior priest music player, high class person.

One of the classicists commented jokingly that the Britons could have taught the Persians religious ritual! There are now arguments that celts may originate from the British Isles. There is evidence of trading silk with the chinese, I do not see why these ideas - justice, being a man, being skilled - which seem like forerunners of the knight, should not have spread to the semitic world - there do seem to be direct links with hinduism.- reincarnation.

Druids have got a bad press from caesar et al, maybe they are like early jedi knights with nasty traits - are there links to magi?

I can see strong links between xianity and druidism. Because we primarily have xian sources that would set up the oppositions, maybe we are missing the foundations to xianity in druidism.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druid

Wiki is fair - unclear if there is link with stonehenge for example, and pythagoras may have learnt something from the druids - who did create superb calendars - far better than the Romans, invented the iron tyre and did do star gazing to create their calendar.
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John the Baptists head was served up on a plate - classic celtic druidic behaviour!

Their gods quite commonly had three heads - wonder what that idea may have metamorphosed into!
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