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Old 07-10-2009, 08:03 AM   #11
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If they had to pay higher taxes no wonder they rebelled.
Nothing to do with taxes. The first initiation of the war was Eleazar's ceasing of all sacrifices for Rome - this was in effect a declaration of war [Josephus]. The ruling for sacrifices was first initiated by a depraved Roman named Caligula - which Herod refused to enact, knowing it would cause open war. In 66 CE, depraved Nero resurrected this decree - and the rest is history. This was a theological battle for the right to freedom of belief - confronted by the Jews - alone again - naturally. And Mighty Rome lost.

The catholic church, which boastfully prefixed its name with that of depraved Rome - assuming also the heritage of the Hebrew bible, thinking Israel was dead - has never forgiven the Jews for existing and even resurrecting herself and a 2000 year dead language.


If there is ever proof that some Jews revelled with beedy eyes over the death of another Jew at the hands of the Romans, or that there was ever a trial as listed in the Gospels - I would readily agree this was a terrible and evil thing. But the ball is in the hands of the Gospel writers and those who accept those reports as truth: prove it. I know that Mad [2000 lashes per frame] Mel believes it.

The only applicable question is, what if the Gospels report is a total fiction by Rome - like the blood libels and the Protocols. How would Christians respond to the Jews? That's not a hypothetical question.

This was a theological battle for the right to freedom of belief - confronted by the Jews - alone again - naturally. And Mighty Rome lost.

But who won the battle Joseph? Einstein with his theory of relativity? Wow, weren't we lucky?

It's all relative? Is it? Relative to what? Does the word moral slip in there anywhere in Einsteins thought experiments?

Einstein developed the theory that it is all relative, but relative to what?

When invited to some gala or other, to which he was frequesntly invited with his new found popularity, Einstein found himself seated next to a theologin who asked, what does this theory of relativity have to do with religion, to which Einstein smuggly stated, nothing.

From what I gather, Einstein took great pleasure in the fact that so many were confused by his theories, however, it is my opinion that Hitler wasn't.

The science is in, it is all relative, and so Hitler arose and said, Eureka! Many followed in his footsteps, some very, very cunningly, and still others have been following it ever since.

Such is life.

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World War II casualty statistics vary greatly. Estimates of total dead range from 50 million to over 70 million.
[36] The sources cited on this page document an estimated death toll in World War II of roughly 73 million, making it the deadliest war ever. Civilians killed totaled around 47 million, including 20 million from war-related disease and famine. Total military dead: about 25 million, including deaths in captivity of about 4 million prisoners of war. Axis dead: approximately 11 million; Allied dead: about 61 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
I don’t know if you are Jewish, Joseph, but you certainly post so as to present yourself as one. Having said that, I share your obvious angst, in regards to the Holocaust. And, having said that, I want you to know just one of the many reasons why I share that angst. I am a victim of the Holocaust as well, and I wasn’t even born when it occurred. I wasn’t even a twinkled in my parents eyes when, in my mothers womb I was conceived. That is a fact. That is a fact that we all share whether we are Jews or not.

We are all effected, for better or worse by WWII, not just the Jews.
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When invited to some gala or other, to which he was frequesntly invited with his new found popularity, Einstein found himself seated next to a theologin who asked, what does this theory of relativity have to do with religion, to which Einstein smuggly stated, nothing.
The Q was stupid - things are relataive to other created things - because of the interaction factor, without which nothing happens. Einstein, as did Newton, declared their positions in their later years adequately.

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From what I gather, Einstein took great pleasure in the fact that so many were confused by his theories, however, it is my opinion that Hitler wasn't.

The science is in, it is all relative, and so Hitler arose and said, Eureka! Many followed in his footsteps, some very, very cunningly, and still others have been following it ever since.

Such is life.
Incorrect. No need to compare Hitler with Einstein. Hitler succeeded because of European history. Mathew, John, Luther, for example, include terrible doctrines if you were on the recieving end, which caused the mass murders of millions of innocent souls. Hitler did not emerge in a vaccuum but represents 1800 years under medevial Europe. I know history.

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I don’t know if you are Jewish, Joseph, but you certainly post so as to present yourself as one. Having said that, I share your obvious angst, in regards to the Holocaust. And, having said that, I want you to know just one of the many reasons why I share that angst. I am a victim of the Holocaust as well, and I wasn’t even born when it occurred. I wasn’t even a twinkled in my parents eyes when, in my mothers womb I was conceived. That is a fact. That is a fact that we all share whether we are Jews or not.

We are all effected, for better or worse by WWII, not just the Jews.
If you cared about the Holocaust, you would never confuse war tolls with the doctrines behind the Holocaust - these have no alliance. There were two Holocausts by Europe upon the jews: 70 CE and 1940s, and a third one is being conducted by stealth - using official UN Letterheads and the placebo of the Pretend Pals. Shall we all sing in step to VE VERE NOT AVARE?
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Nothing to do with taxes. The first initiation of the war was Eleazar's ceasing of all sacrifices for Rome - this was in effect a declaration of war [Josephus]. The ruling for sacrifices was first initiated by a depraved Roman named Caligula - which Herod refused to enact, knowing it would cause open war. In 66 CE, depraved Nero resurrected this decree - and the rest is history. This was a theological battle for the right to freedom of belief - confronted by the Jews - alone again - naturally. And Mighty Rome lost.

The catholic church, which boastfully prefixed its name with that of depraved Rome - assuming also the heritage of the Hebrew bible, thinking Israel was dead - has never forgiven the Jews for existing and even resurrecting herself and a 2000 year dead language.


If there is ever proof that some Jews revelled with beedy eyes over the death of another Jew at the hands of the Romans, or that there was ever a trial as listed in the Gospels - I would readily agree this was a terrible and evil thing. But the ball is in the hands of the Gospel writers and those who accept those reports as truth: prove it. I know that Mad [2000 lashes per frame] Mel believes it.

The only applicable question is, what if the Gospels report is a total fiction by Rome - like the blood libels and the Protocols. How would Christians respond to the Jews? That's not a hypothetical question.

This was a theological battle for the right to freedom of belief - confronted by the Jews - alone again - naturally. And Mighty Rome lost.

But who won the battle Joseph? Einstein with his theory of relativity? Wow, weren't we lucky?

It's all relative? Is it? Relative to what? Does the word moral slip in there anywhere in Einsteins thought experiments?

Einstein developed the theory that it is all relative, but relative to what?

When invited to some gala or other, to which he was frequesntly invited with his new found popularity, Einstein found himself seated next to a theologin who asked, what does this theory of relativity have to do with religion, to which Einstein smuggly stated, nothing.

From what I gather, Einstein took great pleasure in the fact that so many were confused by his theories, however, it is my opinion that Hitler wasn't.

The science is in, it is all relative, and so Hitler arose and said, Eureka! Many followed in his footsteps, some very, very cunningly, and still others have been following it ever since.

Such is life.
Such was appeasement which makes any thought of tolerating/ignoring the tyrants in Iran quite bleak.
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The only applicable question is, what if the Gospels report is a total fiction by Rome - . .
See: Eusebian Fiction Postulate
That is one amazing document. I never for a mo believed what the Gospels said about Jews, and always saw it as a guile invented by the guilty party. There is no tradition in history of any such Gospel actions by Jews any place - there is of Europe: blood libels and The Protocols!

Amazingly, there are two such charges - another from the Quran - and both these documents contradict each other - theologically, historically and mathematically. If presented in an earthly court - it will be thrown out and all charges reversed. Why would it be different in a heavenly court!?
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This was a theological battle for the right to freedom of belief - confronted by the Jews - alone again - naturally. And Mighty Rome lost.

But who won the battle Joseph? Einstein with his theory of relativity? Wow, weren't we lucky?

It's all relative? Is it? Relative to what? Does the word moral slip in there anywhere in Einsteins thought experiments?

Einstein developed the theory that it is all relative, but relative to what?

When invited to some gala or other, to which he was frequesntly invited with his new found popularity, Einstein found himself seated next to a theologin who asked, what does this theory of relativity have to do with religion, to which Einstein smuggly stated, nothing.

From what I gather, Einstein took great pleasure in the fact that so many were confused by his theories, however, it is my opinion that Hitler wasn't.

The science is in, it is all relative, and so Hitler arose and said, Eureka! Many followed in his footsteps, some very, very cunningly, and still others have been following it ever since.

Such is life.
Such was appeasement which makes any thought of tolerating/ignoring the tyrants in Iran quite bleak.

I see Iran as more Christianity's problem - sent as an omen for Europe's hstory with the jews. This regime also says the Jewish temple is a myth: what does that do to the Gospels which says one JC visited this mythical temple?

The Jews have survived three Holocausts - two by Europe, and one by the Arabs: will Europe survive the same when Iran attacks cowardly European infidels? I say Israel must cease from stopping Iran - but also sell her advanced weapons able to reach Europe - at cut price rates. That will be a good answer to Europe and the Arab Regimes.

Every christian knows that Israel is confronting nazi like demands of on-going serial 2-states on the same laughably sized, miniscule land - for *PEACE* [traditional Euro designed peace based on love is all you need!] - and that this has nothing to do with 10 cubits of barren land - and that Christianity is aligning itself with Israel's demise.

My good advice to christians is to thread carefully, and nothing save the restoring of the Balfour will save the day, and apologising for calling both Jews and Muslims as Philistines - that name is not of a middle-eastern people - you dumped this on the jewish homeland in 70 CE - and when this failed - you switched and dumped this on the Arabs! Get real - surely you guys are red faced when no one is looking! :redface:
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We are all effected, for better or worse by WWII, not just the Jews.
A grotesque lie of biblical and historical proportions - its only intention to confuse, negate and deflect from the truth by infering fictional equavalences. Confront your history in the face, eye to eye.
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The Q was stupid

Well, you know what they say about stupid don’t you, Stupid is as stupid does. I guess that makes all the Rabbi’s that question him with the same sort of questions, stupid as well. I guess that makes me stupid, and a liar to boot. I’ll go crawl on my belly for the rest of my days..........and eat dust.

Anyway, I wish you well.
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The Q was stupid

Well, you know what they say about stupid don’t you, Stupid is as stupid does. I guess that makes all the Rabbi’s that question him with the same sort of questions, stupid as well. I guess that makes me stupid, and a liar to boot. I’ll go crawl on my belly for the rest of my days..........and eat dust.

Anyway, I wish you well.
What's up - you equated all people suffered Holocausts under Europe. I say that's not true at all, and while 50 to 100M perished in Europe in a single decade, they were not killed for their religious beliefs by one group claiming LOVE IS ALL YOU NEED, you killed my lord [sic] and they have the only path to salvation. If this is not understood - it paves the way to do the same to others too. The Jews faced two Holocausts by Europe defending their beliefs - and no club med in between.
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[e.e. Immaculate birth
Now there's a first !

We've all seen plenty of people confuse the Virgin Birth with the Immaculate Conception (complete different events.)

But this is the first time I have ever heard of an
"immaculate birth".

Did that come before or after the Virgin Conception I wonder?
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Immaculate birth would be an extremely useful technology. Births are way too messy.
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