Jesse Leigh

G'morning!

Christ's death on the cross *did* fulfill the Law (and the prophets), as He took upon Himself the *penalty* of disobedience to it.

Christians (or since Christ came) no longer "walk in the flesh" but rather "in the Spirit," and that is why Christ spent so much time teaching us about the *spirit* of the Law. The **literal** keeping of it cannot save mankind - Christ did that. However, we are to adhere to it "in the Spirit."

Personally, I/we (in our home or wherever) *do* keep the seventh day Shabbat, since it was never voided and it is the only Commandment not covered by the two Commandments Christ Jesus gave us in the NT:

"You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, your soul, and your strength."

"You must love your neighbor as yourself."

These two Commandments from Christ cover *all* others in the Bible, *including* the 10 Commandments with the exception of the Sabbath.

I have long thought that if we would only understand and *live* by 1st Corithians 13, just about everything else would be taken care of. I *hope* you've all read that, if not, you're missing a lot and it just raises unnecessary questions in other areas.

"LOVE CONQUERS ALL." and "GOD *IS* LOVE."

Works for me.

Yours in the LOVE and LIGHT of Christ - Jesse.

Toto

Jesse - this is off topic in BCH. We don't care what sort of self hypnosis works for you. We know it didn't work for most of us, or for assorted Christians through history.

Weltall

Argumentum ad Bolding, Asterisk and Capslock.

Jesse Leigh

G'morning Toto!

You moved my post here because apparently (as per your PM to me) you consider it to be "preaching" and not "scholarly discussion" of the Bible.

Having been in the missionary field for over 32 years now, I do believe I am able to discern the difference between scholarly discussion and preaching, both of which I engage in regularly, and indeed administrate a long-standing website where "scholarly discussion" takes place 24/7.

Everything I said in my post is from the Bible. Next time I will cite the Scriptures so that you (and all the other scholars here) will know the difference.

It was also perfectly on topic as it addressed the fact that the Law was not voided or repealed, but fulfilled, and covered by two new Commandments given by Jesus Christ Himself.

Apart from my comment that what the Scriptures put forth here "works for me," by what equation do you deduce the content of my post to be "preaching" and not "scholarly?" Just for future reference if you please. - Jesse.

Toto

Preaching vs. scholarship

This is a theological statement it means nothing to someone who does not believe in the supernatural. The quote marks are not helpful.

More theology and linguistic mush. Saving mankind is not the topic in BCH And what is spirit?

Well it seems you are adding something here regaridng Sabbath worship. Jesus did not say that Sabbath worship was also a requirement.

Why "hope" - why not just hope or hope or hope?

"Works for me" implies that you have found a gimmick that does something for you, but you have no way of proving it to someone else.

And signing your post "Yours in the LOVE and LIGHT of Christ" is a dead giveaway that you are preaching to us atheists.

Jesse Leigh

G'morning Toto!

With respect, you have shown a rather unattractive bias here.


Preaching vs. scholarship

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Originally Posted by Jesse Leigh
G'morning!

Christ's death on the cross *did* fulfill the Law (and the prophets), as He took upon Himself the *penalty* of disobedience to it.


Toto:This is a theological statement it means nothing to someone who does not believe in the supernatural. The quote marks are not helpful.

Those are asterisks - not quotation marks. Your PM to me stated that BCH was for the "scholarly study of the Bible." If you do not believe in the existence of the supernatural, why are you studying a Book which claims throughout its pages to have a Supernatural and Divine Author?


Quote: by Jesse
Christians (or since Christ came) no longer "walk in the flesh" but rather "in the Spirit," and that is why Christ spent so much time teaching us about the *spirit* of the Law. The **literal** keeping of it cannot save mankind - Christ did that. However, we are to adhere to it "in the Spirit."


Toto:More theology and linguistic mush. Saving mankind is not the topic in BCH And what is spirit?

What do you think the Law was for, and the reason for Christ's coming to fulfill said Law? It is certainly "the topic," and reason for this thread. Or rather, the one from which you removed my "unscholarly" post.

The spirit of man is imparted by The Holy Spirit of God. Again, drawing directly from the Bible, which book you claim to be studying in a "scholarly" fashion in BCH, and indeed state (in your PM to me) that this is the reason for the forum's existence.


Quote: by Jesse
Personally, I/we (in our home or wherever) *do* keep the seventh day Shabbat, since it was never voided and it is the only Commandment not covered by the two Commandments Christ Jesus gave us in the NT:

"You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, your soul, and your strength."

"You must love your neighbor as yourself."

These two Commandments from Christ cover *all* others in the Bible, *including* the 10 Commandments with the exception of the Sabbath.


Toto:Well it seems you are adding something here regaridng Sabbath worship. Jesus did not say that Sabbath worship was also a requirement.

Indeed He did. The penalty for "profaning the Sabbath" i.e. not observing it in the OT was death. Christ Jesus is the "Lord of the Sabbath." He kept it, his disciples kept it, all first century Christians kept it, and we are still required to keep it today, but "in spirit," meaning according to the spirit or intended *meaning* of the Law, no longer being constrained by the "letter of the Law." Christ's sacrificial death freed us from the "letter of the Law."


Quote: by Jesse
I have long thought that if we would only understand and *live* by 1st Corinthians 13, just about everything else would be taken care of. I *hope* you've all read that, if not, you're missing a lot and it just raises unnecessary questions in other areas.

"LOVE CONQUERS ALL." and "GOD *IS* LOVE."

Works for me.

Yours in the LOVE and LIGHT of Christ - Jesse.


Why "hope" - why not just hope or hope or hope?

Asterisks ** (not "parenthesis" ) are often employed to add emphasis. I chose to do so.

Toto:"Works for me" implies that you have found a gimmick that does something for you, but you have no way of proving it to someone else.

I commented on that thread to correct a "scholarly" error. I have no need to prove it. No "gimmick" is involved. The Bible, as you yourself stated, is the Book you are attempting to study in a "scholarly" fashion, and the Bible speaks for itself. "My sheep know My voice." Revelation *always* comes from God through Christ.

"Works for me" was intended to convey that if the Bible says it, it's good enough for me.

And signing your post "Yours in the LOVE and LIGHT of Christ" is a dead giveaway that you are preaching to us atheists.

This is merely a statement of the truth of my existence and being. Would you prefer I sign it, "Love and kisses?" Or perhaps, simply, "Jesse?" Sometimes I even wish people, "... a sweet and peaceful day (or night)." Are you *seriously* taking issue with this? Why?

By the way, your grammar is incorrect, as is much of your spelling. The above should be, "we atheists." Since, at your insistence, we're all attempting to be "scholars" here we ought to at least have our grammar and spelling reflect this, wouldn't you agree? (Yes, I think it's ridiculous too, and contentious, which is how I view your objection to what I wrote, and the subsequent movement of my post to here.)

Debating this further is pointless. You claim to be a Biblical "scholar," yet you do not know what "spirit" is, nor that the Commandment to keep the Sabbath remains. To discuss the Bible in a "scholarly" fashion with those who have little knowledge of it, and who are clearly unwilling to acquire some, is absurd.

FYI, Yeshua Christ doesn't care about "scholars." Christ maintains, "Unless you accept the Kingdom of God like a little child, you will not enter therein."

Think humility, meekness, teachability, and a heart not yet hardened.... You don't get into heaven on your IQ. (ALERT: THIS paragraph is "preaching." )

Yours........insert suitable signature and/or well-wishes here........ - Jesse.

Weltall

Because some of us are interested in learning what the stories a culture wrote down can tell us about them. Alternatively, we can also study it in order to be prepared for when people like you stop by and tell us how 'historically accurate' the whole thing is.
We'd prefer that you spend time making rational arguments rather than thinking up ways to sign off your posts.
Actually, your entire post is preaching and can be ignored as such. Thank you, come again!

Alethias

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Originally Posted by Jesse Leigh Having been in the missionary field for over 32 years now, I do believe I am able to discern the difference between scholarly discussion and preaching

Spending 32 years as a missionary doesn't imply you know how to distinguish scholarly discussion, but it probably does imply you know how to preach. Was this an appeal to authority? Do you believe you need a special allowance because of your time as a missionary? A rules violation is a rules violation. The Other Michael is on the board of directors that governs this website and is also an Administrator here. I'd edit/moderate him if he violated the rules

SwordOfTruth,
~~Elsewhere~~ Moderator