Chili

Jesus was not a Jew. Luke tells us that it was supposed that he was the son of Joseph to point at the non Jewish God identity wherein he was not a Jew.

Matthew tells us that Jacob was the father of Joseph who was the husband of Mary and it was of her that Jesus who is called the messiah was born, to point at the Jewish identity of Jesus wherein he was not messiah.

Later, the Jews looked at Jesus-the-Jew when they convicted him to be crucified under Jewish Law while Pilate looked at Jesus-the-man to see no fault in him and released him under the name of bar-abbas.

So was Jesus a Jew? I'd say no because in the end the clothes do not make the man.

Was Mary Jewish? I'd say no because she was taken from the man to be isolated from human affairs wherein only we can be identified as Jew.

Chili

That will just depends on who they think Mary is.

In the context of Gen.1-3 wherein also the fall and redemption of man is created Mary is the woman that was taken from the man here called Joseph and it is she who gives birth to the long lost god-man that they were expecting.

The "taken from" in Gen. 2 suggests a mental division in man since in essence they were created male and female to become male or female under Lord God so they might look for a mate and procreate the androgynous image of God.

This would be why Mary was betrothed to Joseph ever since the day when he first left Eden.

Chili

It is wrong to hang that one on the Jews because the HS is not Jewish or there would be temples in Eden.

Koyaanisqatsi

Congratulations, Chili. Once again, I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Of course the Jesus of the NT was Jewish or else he could not have been the fulfillment of Jewish prophecy, nor would he be able to claim changes in Jewish law (at the same time stating not one line would change), nor would he quote Psalms on the cross, etc., etc., etc.

Chili

The Jesus of the NT had a dual identity. One was Jewish and the other was God but the name Jesus was given to the God identity and his Jewish identity was his sin nature that became his cross until this Jewish identity was crucified on it.

So I hold that Jesus was not Jewish because the name Jesus was given to the Christ-child that made Jesus son of man who matured and became fully man [in the image of God] after resurrection. This is why I hold that the gospels take place in what we call purgatory and what they called Galilee, which is between rebirth and ascension.

The purpose of the NT is to show how to mature and become fully man instead of remaining 'child of Isreal' for life and die nonetheless. Child of IsraelIsrael is, of course, a synonym for son of man.

The Jewish Jesus identity was the impostor (egotist) to be crucified and raised again on the other side of his mind there called the upper room (Mary was kept virgin there until Annunciation = we are talking religious integrity here).

I can add here that the virginity of Mary is what makes the HS not Jewish even if, with all respect, Mary was from Nazareth which makes reference to the contents of her dowry (riches in heaven).

With regard to his fulfillment of prophesy. He was for those who believed and not for those who crucified him. The pharisees, OTH, knew this kind of passage and cautioned Pilate to first make sure he died and later guard the tomb so he would not return to reason before making peace in his own netherworld, which would be his subconscious mind where his bosom buddy John also known as Christ was from.

WishboneDawn

This comes from the Chili book of theology I take it? I'm not buying myself.

Johnny Skeptic

Nor is anyone else, including Chili. You may not be aware that Chili does not argue what he believes. He has admitted that he is only here at the Secular Web for entertainment. I stopped replying to his posts months ago. Chili wants to 'engage', not to 'persuade'. Please do not expect to get anywhere by having discussions with Chili. Can you imagine what would happen if Chili started having discussions with other people just like him, that is, if he could ever find any? In such a case, no one would try to convince anyone of anything, in which case, why should anyone show up?

Chili

It is not theology but more like philosophy or what philosophy should be like.

Chili

Ever seen an artist buy his own stuff?

Chili

It was Joseph's plane that went into a full spiral when Mary took charge and glid him to Bethlehem where this inner child was born because Joseph was beyond theology.Mary was on board, she always is, as in "I, we four, were but one of an innumerable waves of a powerful torrent: to my left, O-90 . . . to my right, two unknown Numbers, a she-Number and a he-Number" (about page 7 in "WE").

None of the three in one died, just the usurper who's clothes made the man. It can be said that Jesus died for the sins of the clan and sins of the nation to welcome Jews into the new age. Beyond that we each have our own human nature to die to and also a netherworld the convert to light up our own city of God.

I don't know Melchizadeck but suspect that he was also born from above. They are Jewish in Judaism and Catholic in Catholicism.

Angels do not have a mind of their own. They are messengers.