Magdlyn

You and your online directory, are not making sense, that I can see, pro.

1) Who is the chief leader or prince--of Christ? Never heard of one.

2) Too simple and not relevant.

3) The author? Of what, anything? This definition is not specific enough to our problem.

Here's context for you,

The Hypostasis of the Archons:

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/hypostas.html

As for your following comments: Paul does not have a physical historical Jesus. He has a docetic Christ "Christ in you (in me, in all)" is the gnosis he feels God has given him to declare now openly.

If Paul's Christ is an indwelling spirit, why would he declare he was killed by a non-existent earthly "prince?" He is not lying, he is just not preaching the Jesus of the 4 gospels. That Jesus had not been invented yet.

BTW, if archon can mean prince--or ruler!!! the teaching is correct in either, fleshly or spiritual, sense. Surely Pilate or the chief priest could be called a ruler.

French Prometheus

I don't remember calling you a liar and I don't want to go through all the posts again to check it out. But I do detect some hypocrisy in your pick-and-choose interpretation of the Bible. Like, God likes what I like and he dislikes what I dislike. How convenient.
Just because you claim that your "wisdom" was inspired by God doesn't give you more or less right to judge us than the other way round. You don't want to be judged? Then don't judge others. (yes, I know that's also written in the Bible).
Can you prove that the existence of God is a prerequisite to understand the concepts of right/wrong, truth/falsehood? (You won't succed so don't waste your time trying).
If God has spoken, why don't believers agree on what he said?
I'm glad you concede we won the battle. As I already said concerning the object of this particular thread : point made
As for "winning the battle", you should be wary of delusional wishful thinking. Some people believe so much that theirs is the one and true God and that they will win the war that they blow themselves up in the middle of a crowd

Yahzi

I keep telling the Christians that Jews produce a messiah every fifty years, most of whom are actually smart enough to avoid being nailed to a bit of wood, but they just ignore me.

dado

you are not being judged. your beliefs are your own - until they cause you to act in ways that trample on the beliefs of others. if you cannot justify your faith without misrepresenting the beliefs of others - brother, you are screwed.

dado

lol! one died not even 10 years ago - yes, of natural causes, at some ridiculously advanced age - and without a doubt there is a rebbe out there right now who in a couple of decades will be proclaimed HaMashiak by some small group.

it's one thing to hold on to the "Messianic Age is right out around the corner!" belief for a decade, but it's quite another to hang on to it for 2 millenia.

usartist

Come on the question is, "Why do Christians violate the Ten Commandments?"

And the answer is because they are screwed up in the head, stupid, idiots, who don't know their heads from fire hydrants.

Am I wrong?

funinspace

Rev., I have to say the show has been fairly predictable. This is an entertaining attempt at an escape clause but it fails miserably. I think the 7th Day Adventists would have a serious bone to pick with your interpretation. So "blinded" hardly flies. Many people within the mainstream Protestant sects would have no problem agreeing that these verses contradict themselves. So again, blaming the suposed wrong understanding on unbelief falls flat. And guess what, some of us are ex-fundies as well...lol

Fools, reason, and knowledge, hey here's some more fun quotes:
Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding."
1 Corinthians 1:20 "Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?"
1 Corinthians 8:1 "We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up but love builds up."
2 Corinthians 10:5 "We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ."

Carry on,
DK

French Prometheus

I guess you didn't take a look at the website. The 3 translations given for the word "archegos" are just general translations and are not meant to be used precisely for this verse. When you click on a Greek word, a dictionary window pops up and gives you the possible translations. If the word is used as a metaphor then none of the translations may be accurate. They're just standard meanings.

Whether Paul only believed in a spiritual Christ is possible but still debatable. Paul's wrote his letters several decades before the canonical Gospels were written but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Jesus of the 4 Gospels had not been "invented" yet.
BTW, I personally think that one or even several historical "Jesus" may have existed. Would-be prophets making up kooky syncretic religions were very common in the first centuries BCE and CE.

That's also debatable. Anyway, your arguments are good even if I'm not completely convinced.
I withdraw 1 Co 2:8 from the list of Paul's lies.
And I replace it with :
1 Thess 2:3 in which Paul says that he doesn't use trickery whereas in 2 Cor. 12:16 Paul says that he caught someone by trickery.

Magdlyn

Cool! I thought more about this. If "prince" is the KJV trans of archon, well, KJV...

Ruler is a little better.

As per our pericope, sidekick of the Demiurge would be most accurate. IMO.


Yeah, and what does any of this have to do with the 10 commandments!? LOL.

ScarletBea

Because nobody can be perfect the whole time, even if you're a christian