sharon45

Matthew 11:1-6
1 After Jesus had finished instructing his twelve disciples, he went on from there to teach and preach in the towns of Galilee.

2 When John heard in prison what Christ was doing, he sent his disciples
3 to ask him, "Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?"

4 Jesus replied, "Go back and report to John what you hear and see:
5 The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor.
6 Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me."

Then john's disciples should have answered: "That is all well and good, but are you really the one who was to come, or should we still expect someone else?"

Chris Weimer

:huh:

sharon45

IOW, it would have been nice if jesus had actually answered their question instead of merely responding.

Chris Weimer

I think Loren Rossen's (et al.) studies on honor-shame take care of this pretty well.

Diogenes the Cynic

I think it's interesting that JBap would ask that question after already (presumably) recognizing Jesus as the Messiah in Mt. 3:14.

sharon45

But jesus isn't being confronted by supposed adversaries even they it turns out that they were indeed a stumbling block given his response.


From here.

This old tired excuse. Consistency is the key in any time period and culture.

If only. He did really answer a lot of questions though and many unintentionally. He really "burned" himself much more than anyone else in his numerous attemps at keeping himself honorable.

Again this has mixed results.

sharon45

Even more interesting is that well before that in luke 1:39-45, he supposedly knew this while still in the womb.
If he understood scripture though, he should have really known that jesus wasn't the Messiah.

Chili

John knew that he was to 'get ready' for he knew what Jesus meant. John was the favorite apostle and wondered how it was going with Jesus (not Christ for John was the Christ).

sharon45

Neither one was the christ, but that's beside the point.

The whole reason for john's disciples to even have to ask such a question from jesus reveals ahead of time that obviously jesus isn't the expected Messiah.
In turn, jesus' own response to john's disciples shows he is not only not the Messiah, but ignorant of the prophecies in relation to the expected Messiah as well.

RidingtheScree

shouldn't Jesus be morally dead, considering he is "perfectly" shameful and "perfectly" shameless at the same time?

He should explode.

He says "I'm so great, I heal the dead, I have such self-hate, although the dead I mend"

I'm so confused
I feel abused
by my daddy and his primordial ooze
I'll have john, peter and paul write the good news
about how I boozed
and then choosed
to attack the pews
of the jews
and how they want to crucify me with all my bodily juice
and take me away from Mary Magdalen's sweet sweet Boo&s
And how I walk on water like a goose
and how the rationalists I confuse
and the roman's too
and how I am a social outcast cept among the more sun-stained hues
and those who couldn't afford a room
at the stable where I was groomed
for the doom
that awaits me and a cold stone tomb
and a boon
from my daddy and his goons
who are subject of this awful lampoon.