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Why not try to understand the analogy rather than show you don't understand?


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Johnny Skeptic

Would Palestine have been partitioned the way that it was partitioned without help from nations who were predominanantly Christian, and whose governments were predominantly Christian? Answer, no.

If Jewish and Palestinian history had been reversed, and Palestinians had been persecuted by Hitler and other parties instead of Jews, would the United Nations have granted the Jews control of Jerusalem and awarded Palestians a grossly unfair amount of land per capita to like the Jews got? Answer, no. Why, because of the Bible.

If the Axis powers had won World War II, would Palestine have been partitioned? Answer, no.

Where did the Jews get the military equipment and money from that enabled them to partition Palestine? Answer, 100% from Jews, Christians, and countries with predominantly Christian populations and governments.

And yet you would have people believe that if the Bible had not been written that the history of the Jews would have been the same as it has been. You have obviously missed your calling as a fiction writer. Anyone who has just a modest amount of common sense knows that all that it takes to occupy land is military power. The most powerful animals dominant other animals, including humans.

Are you going to tell us that when Abraham persecuted the Canaanites and stole parts of Canaan from them that that was not a self-fulfilled prophecy?

Johnny Skeptic

What restoration?, certainly not a restoration of Genesis 17:8 promised, which was that God would give Abraham and his descendants ALL of the ancient land of Canaan?

Arnoldo claims that the Jews have never occupied all of the land of Canaan. Do you agree with that? If the Jews have never occupied all of the land of Canaan, why was that?

arnoldo

The Religion of Islam has nothing to do with conflict in the middle east, right? BTW, most muslims are peaceful people.

Jack the Bodiless

Yet Israel HAS been uprooted SINCE this "prophecy" was made. If a Jewish apologist made exactly the same claim in (for instance) 100 BC, would you still say this was "absolute proof of God's existence"?

And if Israel is destroyed 10 years from now (maybe in a nuclear war), then repopulated 10,000 years later when the radiation subsides, and another Jewish apologist makes exactly the same claim THEN, would this still be "absolute proof of God's existence"?
The analogy holds. If the survival of a people is proof of the existence of the gods of that people, then you're saying that the Greek gods must exist. Apparently they don't mind that the Greeks are now worshipping the wrong gods: just as YOU must believe that Jesus doesn't care about the rejection of HIM by modern Jews!

Johnny Skeptic

<edit> This all started when Abraham wrongfully stole land from the Canaanites.

The partition of Palestine allowed the Jews to control Jerusalem, and an unfairly disproportionate amount of land based upon land per capita, and yet you claim that the Arabs have always stated the wars. A much more equitable solution would have been joint control of Jerusalem, or dividing Jerusalem in half.

Australia has a very small population, and it is very large. Most of the population lives near the ocean. Now what better place could there have been for God to set up a Jewish nation than in the middle of Australia, with no hatred, and no bloodshed? You worship a God of war, not a God of peace.

The only reason that Jews and Arabs have ever had any problems is because God made sure that they were in the same places at the same times. This is analogous to the detestible, unlawful practice of cockfighting. Cocks would not fight unless humans put them in the same places at the same times.

Why do animals injure and kill each other in disputes over food, territory, and mates? Obviously, because God unfairly and unnecessarily puts them in the same places at the same times.

Now are you going to tell us that if Jewish and Palestinian history had been reversed, and Hitler and other parties had persecuted Palestinians instead of Jews, that the U.S. would have approved of the Palestinians getting control of Jerusalem and a grossly disproportionate amount of land based upon the amount of land per person? If not, then you have to admit that the Partition of Palestine is a bona fide example of a self-fulfilled prophecy. No rational person would ever claim that the Bible did not have anything to do with the U.S.'s and the British's interests in the Partition of Palestine.

Johnny Skeptic

What I meant was "and yet you would have us believe that the Bible did not have anything to do with the partition of Palestine." Would you like to claim that the Bible did not have anything to do with the Partition of Palestine?

Would Palestine have been partitioned the way that it was partitioned without help from nations who were predominanantly Christian, and whose governments were predominantly Christian? Answer, no.

If Jewish and Palestinian history had been reversed, and Palestinians had been persecuted by Hitler and other parties instead of Jews, would the United Nations have granted the Jews control of Jerusalem and awarded Palestians a grossly unfair amount of land per capita to like the Jews got? Answer, no. Why, because of the Bible.

If the Axis powers had won World War II, would Palestine have been partitioned? Answer, no.

Where did the Jews get the military equipment and money from that enabled them to partition Palestine? Answer, 100% from Jews, Christians, and countries with predominantly Christian populations and governments.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: Are you going to tell us that when Abraham persecuted the Canaanites and stole parts of Canaan from them that that was not a self-fulfilled prophecy?

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: The only reason that Jews and Arabs have ever had any problems is because God made sure that they were in the same places at the same times. This is analogous to the detestible, unlawful practice of cockfighting. Cocks would not fight unless humans put them in the same places at the same times. Why didn't God enable the Jews to set up a homeland where they did not have to murder anyone to establish their homeland? Or, why didn't God give the Jews enough money to legally purchase Canaan from the Canaanites?

arnoldo

I understand the useless analogy perfectly. Can you answer the following question. Does the existence of Palestinians prove the existence of the God of the Muslims?