darstec

Just because one slaps the title "Christian" on their shingle in the second and third centuries CE does not mean they believe the teachings of the oiled one. "Christian" was a very diluted word and in yesterdays venacular meant almost nothing. The paradigm has not changed for two thousand years. In fact, we really don't know exactly what a Christian believed during the origination. We only know what the winners who executed their opponents and burned their writings believed. And even that was modified by the new orthodoxies through the centuries.

You played the wrong card.

ksen

Maybe you should read the second chapter Jonah again:

Sounds like he died to me. Or do you normally find living people crying out from Hell/Sheol? Do living people need to have their lives brought up from corruption (also translated as "grave")?

RPS

Calvin says otherwise.

ksen

Calvin is not infallible.

Neither am I for that matter.

If Calvin is wrong then a miracle occured when Jonah was resurrected and sent to Nineveh.

If I'm wrong then the miracle occured to keep Jonah alive under such circumstances.

Either way a miracle occured.

I just happen to believe that Jonah dying and coming back to life after three days fits better as a sign of what Jesus would undergo.

Faithful

Jonah 1:17 But the LORD provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was inside the fish three days and three nights
Jonah 2:1 From inside the fish Jonah prayed to the LORD his God. 2 He said: "In my distress I called to the LORD, and he answered me. From the depths of the grave I called for help, and you listened to my cry.

Faithful

Let's look at the context of this scripture.

Isaiah 54:1Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

2I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

3And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

4For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

5I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


Look at the lengths God was prepared to go for Israel. He is very slow to anger but He has his limits. He is saying "Don't mess with me."

Psalm 30:5For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

Faithful

There is no intellectual way to explain God. You need faith. When you plant a seed in the ground, intellectually you can't fathom how it can grow into a plant, but you certainly do faith that it is going to happen.

A better example is the birth of a baby. It still astounds me -nothing short of a miracle

Amaleq13

None of it appears to change the apparent meaning of the passage.

Dargo

Followers of every religion on the planet have faith. There is no evidence your faith is based on anything more real than their faith.

CreamFilledGiraffe

No faith or miracles required.