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fanucon · 09-20-2007, 07:37 AM

I believe that Jesus would have been Liberal Capitalist if he was in a position of government leadership.

At first i thought he would be an egalitarian dictatorship but then i considered that he didnt want to Force anything on anyone
he would want you to accept a position of compassion on your own without forcing people to be compassionate

then i came to the conclusion that he must aim for absolute freedom of money with the assumption that human good could potentially overcome and it would turn into a completely harmonious government system and would eventually be able to drop the govt completely because this socialist environment would be without anger hate or jealousy

But humans are naturally evil and so that plan went to hell then the romans killed him

dog-on · 09-20-2007, 08:01 AM

I think the JC we see in the book is actually more of a monarchist..

fanucon · 09-20-2007, 08:07 AM

how do you figure monarchy?

dog-on · 09-20-2007, 08:13 AM

Oh, something about the kingdom he was preaching. This usually denotes a monarch of some type and thus a monarchy.

fanucon · 09-20-2007, 08:26 AM

so because he was an ambassador of this kingdom forces him support an earthly monarchy? Would he be king? wouldnt that be blasphemous?

Toto · 09-20-2007, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by fanucon

I believe that Jesus would have been Liberal Capitalist if he was in a position of government leadership.

These are modern political theories with no analog in the first century.

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At first i thought he would be an egalitarian dictatorship but then i considered that he didnt want to Force anything on anyone
he would want you to accept a position of compassion on your own without forcing people to be compassionate

then i came to the conclusion that he must aim for absolute freedom of money with the assumption that human good could potentially overcome and it would turn into a completely harmonious government system and would eventually be able to drop the govt completely because this socialist environment would be without anger hate or jealousy

But humans are naturally evil and so that plan went to hell then the romans killed him

The Jesus character in the gospels says some socialistic-utopian things, but Robert Price has opined that these were not meant for the general society, but for the hard core members of the church.

Jesus apparently expected that the Kingdom of God was at hand (using the language of royalty just because that was the current system.) This would make him a theocrat more than a capitalist.

What you are describing sounds like modern communism projected back onto Jesus.

Ray Moscow · 09-20-2007, 08:33 AM

The messiah/christ is the king, annointed by God. Monarchy.

Whether Jesus intended to take that title, or even existed, are other questions to consider.

dog-on · 09-20-2007, 08:35 AM

...someone Christ, King of the Jews...

Actually, I believe it was known as the kingdom of God, my father's kingdom, or something else no less royal...

djrafikie · 09-20-2007, 08:37 AM

errr, Jesus WAS a politician.

fanucon · 09-20-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dog-on

...someone Christ, King of the Jews...

Actually, I believe it was known as the kingdom of God, my father's kingdom, or something else no less royal...

but none of what he preached as the Kingdom of God was in reference to anything earthly, that is significant

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fanucon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Midwest Minnesota Posts: 721	If Jesus was a politician I believe that Jesus would have been Liberal Capitalist if he was in a position of government leadership. At first i thought he would be an egalitarian dictatorship but then i considered that he didnt want to Force anything on anyone he would want you to accept a position of compassion on your own without forcing people to be compassionate then i came to the conclusion that he must aim for absolute freedom of money with the assumption that human good could potentially overcome and it would turn into a completely harmonious government system and would eventually be able to drop the govt completely because this socialist environment would be without anger hate or jealousy But humans are naturally evil and so that plan went to hell then the romans killed him

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09-20-2007, 08:01 AM	#2
dog-on Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,397	I think the JC we see in the book is actually more of a monarchist..

09-20-2007, 08:07 AM	#3
fanucon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Midwest Minnesota Posts: 721	how do you figure monarchy?

09-20-2007, 08:13 AM	#4
dog-on Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,397	Oh, something about the kingdom he was preaching. This usually denotes a monarch of some type and thus a monarchy.

09-20-2007, 08:26 AM	#5
fanucon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Midwest Minnesota Posts: 721	so because he was an ambassador of this kingdom forces him support an earthly monarchy? Would he be king? wouldnt that be blasphemous?

09-20-2007, 08:33 AM	#7
Ray Moscow Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 1,255	The messiah/christ is the king, annointed by God. Monarchy. Whether Jesus intended to take that title, or even existed, are other questions to consider.

09-20-2007, 08:35 AM	#8
dog-on Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,397	...someone Christ, King of the Jews... Actually, I believe it was known as the kingdom of God, my father's kingdom, or something else no less royal...

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djrafikie Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: u.k, back of beyond, we have scones and cream teas Posts: 2,534	errr, Jesus WAS a politician.

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