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RED DAVE · 04-17-2007, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by praxeus

So you have made your own personal definition.
Anybody who accepts the Bible as true is in a cult.

Very strange, very self-serving, very much poisoning the well, very mangling of language and very wrong.

On the other aspect of the post .. see above (salvanoot).

Shalom,
Steven Avery

As to your "salvanoot," a duck by any other name still quacks. I've answered your questions, now you answer mine:

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1) What is your date for the Flood (i.e. the one that you accept for purposes of arguement)?

2) If it's approximate (and there's no reason why it shouldn't be), what are the outside limits?

RED DAVE

RED DAVE · 04-18-2007, 10:43 AM

Still waiting, praxeus:

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1) What is your date for the Flood (i.e. the one that you accept for purposes of arguement)?

2) If it's approximate (and there's no reason why it shouldn't be), what are the outside limits?

And if you don't want to stick your neck out, please confirm the following:

From praxeus:

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And the flood is incidentally at least 4500 years ago, or perhaps somewhat more, per the Bible account.

Surely with all the knowledge available from Biblical inerrantist sources, you can come up with a "quick and dirty" answer. It took me less than a minute to come up with this from my point of view.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

RED DAVE

RED DAVE · 04-20-2007, 09:39 AM

Still waiting, praxeus:

Quote:

1) What is your date for the Flood (i.e. the one that you accept for purposes of arguement)?

2) If it's approximate (and there's no reason why it shouldn't be), what are the outside limits?

And if you don't want to stick your neck out, please confirm the following:

From praxeus:

Quote:

And the flood is incidentally at least 4500 years ago, or perhaps somewhat more, per the Bible account.

Surely with all the knowledge available from Biblical inerrantist sources, you can come up with a "quick and dirty" answer. It took me less than a minute to come up with this from my point of view.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

RED DAVE

Dave Reed · 04-20-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RED DAVE

From Dave Reed:
Dave, you have to start evaluating your sources.

The Sphinx body is not thought to have been carved about 10,000 BC. This is a simplification of the view of one archaeologist, which has been pretty much disputed. When you post ideas like this, check them out. I found this on google in about 30 seconds.

http://www.egyptvoyager.com/pyramids...phinxage_1.htm

RED DAVE

I read the entire article, a must for anyone remotely interested in
Egyptology, and as far as dating the Sphynx, the final conclusion
is that there is no conclusion. They also leave open the door to
the fact that it could be as old as 10,000 BC. I think the 30 seconds
you speak of is the amount of time you spent reading the article.

Morgana · 04-20-2007, 08:56 PM

I don't think a "gap" is even a useful theory for the YEC. I mean, we are talking about a flood that carved the Grand Canyon and raised the Himalayas. It would be absurd to think that these archaeological sites would survive such an event.

RED DAVE · 04-21-2007, 05:14 AM

From Dave Reed:

Quote:

I read the entire article, a must for anyone remotely interested in
Egyptology, and as far as dating the Sphynx, the final conclusion
is that there is no conclusion. They also leave open the door to
the fact that it could be as old as 10,000 BC. I think the 30 seconds
you speak of is the amount of time you spent reading the article.

From the article:

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Egyptologists, of course, can see no cultural context at all in which the Sphinx could have been carved before 5000 BC, or 3000 BC for that matter, and several good reasons for putting its carving at about 2500 BC. Before about 10,000 BC, conditions were cold and dry in Egypt, so erosion of a pre-existent Sphinx is hard to imagine - indeed, the pre-existence of the Sphinx before 10,000 BC is itself an idea all but impossible to entertain.

http://www.egyptvoyager.com/pyramids...phinxage_2.htm

RED DAVE

RED DAVE · 04-21-2007, 08:05 AM

From praxeus:

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Frequently folks write on the calendar issues without looking for a consistent picture ... .

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...43#post4380643

From praxeus:

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And the flood is incidentally at least 4500 years ago, or perhaps somewhat more, per the Bible account.

Hmm.

Quote:

1) What is your date for the Flood (i.e. the one that you accept for purposes of arguement)?

2) If it's approximate (and there's no reason why it shouldn't be), what are the outside limits?

Still waiting.

RED DAVE

snkirsch · 04-22-2007, 02:10 PM

If creationists say multibile flood stories is evidence of Noah's flood. How come none of these cultures could remember the rest of the story? The whole world repopulated by 8 people, 4500 years ago and the only part they remembered was multibile versions of the flood ?

Harry Bosch · 04-22-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by praxeus

As an example, when I point out that marine fossils on top of mountains around the earth are clearly evidence of a flood and that great minds puzzled over them throughout history then the post-facto pseudo-'prediction' of plate tectonics is offered. Despite the fact that the marine fossils are given as a primary evidence for tectonics in tectonics apologetics !

{Snipped} Sooo, you don't buy plate tectonics?? What do you think causes earthquakes and volcanoes? Is that God getting angry?

Steven Avery · 04-23-2007, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

{Snipped} Sooo, you don't buy plate tectonics?? What do you think causes earthquakes and volcanoes?

Hi Stinger. There are two issues involved in my post above. The theory that plate tectonics accounts for moving huge masses of rock with marine fossils from .. something .. up many miles. And that this is a "prediction" of plate tectonics. Please read more carefully. Thanks.

Shalom,
Steven

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04-20-2007, 08:56 PM	#95
Morgana Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Posts: 562	I don't think a "gap" is even a useful theory for the YEC. I mean, we are talking about a flood that carved the Grand Canyon and raised the Himalayas. It would be absurd to think that these archaeological sites would survive such an event.

04-22-2007, 02:10 PM	#98
snkirsch Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Minnesota(southern) Posts: 10	If creationists say multibile flood stories is evidence of Noah's flood. How come none of these cultures could remember the rest of the story? The whole world repopulated by 8 people, 4500 years ago and the only part they remembered was multibile versions of the flood ?

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