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Bobinius · 06-12-2004, 07:50 AM

Being a big fan of oral sex I am really curious what is the penalty [it has to be one, it feels too good] stated in the Bible for such a 'horrible perversion'?

Oh, and what is the justification , if there is any, for oral sex being a bad thing to do?

Viva el sexo,

Bobinius

LP675 · 06-12-2004, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobinius

what is the penalty stated in the Bible?

I don't think there is one.

Boomeister · 06-12-2004, 08:22 AM

I'm not aware of a bible verse that addresses oral sex. However, the bible may be against sex that isn't procreational. If you have oral sex and do not follow it through with sexual intercourse, then you might be "spilling the seed." The Old Testament God looks down upon that.

Boomeister

Bobinius · 06-12-2004, 08:37 AM

Oh good.

So oral sex remains a moral problem to which the Bible can't answer?

Based on Biblical reavealed morality we cannot tell if the oral sex is good or bad .[followed by intercourse if you wish, as long as the semen does not hit the ground as in the case of Onan]

This leaves an indetermination in the Moral Objectivity of the theist. It is no longer objective, but relative to the opinion of different believers.

If everybody remembers, that's the acusation theists throw in the face of the atheists. Your moral is relativistic.

And i will bet that a lot of believers consider oral sex wrong and a perversion, and some will consider it to be ok. And they are not based on the Bible.

Toto · 06-12-2004, 10:11 AM

Since none of our resident Christian experts have shown up, google will come to your aid:

Masturbation and Oral Sex

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Is masturbation OK for Christian singles, and is oral sex OK within marriage? What does the bible say?

(1 Th 4:3-7 NIV) It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; {4} that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, {5} not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; {6} and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. {7} For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.

Neither of these topics are specifically mentioned in scripture, although some say that the Song of Songs alludes to oral sex. The story of Onan (Gen 38:8-9) is not about masturbation but coitus interruptus, in which he refused to fulfill his Levirate duty as brother in law and to ensure offspring for his dead brother (Deu 25:5-10, Ruth 4:5 ), it is his refusal to impregnate his brothers wife which displeased the Lord. The absence of any mention of masturbation in the bible is surprising considering how widespread it is now, and likely was when the bible was written.

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The bible has nothing to say about oral sex. But it is clear from the bible, that sex within marriage is holy and good. Indeed it is commanded (1 Cor 7:3-5). Using the creation narrative as our guide and the principle is that the male genital is designed for the female genital, just as food is for the stomach (1 Cor 6:13), we may question oral sex. Has God made the mouth for the male or female genital? The usual advice concerning oral sex within marriage is that it should not become a substitute for genital to genital sex. The rule of love should be used, such that if one partner finds it offensive, then the other should not insist on it. It is true that scripture says nothing about oral sex. Even the Kamasutra has pictures of oral sex; so it goes back a long time. My own view is that it is immature, but if your husband needs it, then it is better than adultery. The consequences of him going to someone else are far worse. The bottom line is that oral sex is better than immorality. This may be more of an issue with Christian wives married to men who are unbelievers, I do not believe that God condemns you if you consent to your husband's demands for oral sex.

Paul is clear, that if a Christian woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. That may sound harsh, but God was there when you made your wedding vows, for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, for good sex or for bad sex (including oral sex). If he leaves, you are not bound, does that leave you free to remarry? I think that leaves you free, but this has been controversial for ages (our Lord takes marriage seriously and I am not Paul).

Magdlyn · 06-12-2004, 10:49 AM

toto, the woman who wrote your article seems to have a unique point of view! LOL

She assumes only men masturbate and only men want to get oral! Quaint.

This link is better IMO:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/sex-oral.html

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Read the somewhat cryptic Song of Solomon from a lover's point of view. Using delicate, romantic language and metaphors, it describes a beautiful, affectionate, romantic, sensuous, joyful and passionate love between husband and wife. It seems to be speaking of the lovers tasting, eating and drinking of each other's bodies (Song of Songs 2:3; 4:16; 8:2). One cannot be sure what this means exactly [rofl], but certainly we see no evidence here or elsewhere that God is concerned with what part of their bodies might be touching, including where they kissed their mate. ...God is concerned about your love for each other. He wants all Christians, including husbands and wives, to be kind to each other, patient, respectful and unselfish. Ultimate love is pure in motive and action. Follow that goal, and you are not likely to go wrong.

Queen: As an apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among young men. With great delight I sat in his shadow, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

King: How sweet is your love, my sister, my bride! how much better is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your oils than any spice!
Your lips distil nectar, my bride; honey and milk are under your tongue; the scent of your garments is like the scent of Lebanon.
A garden locked is my sister, my bride, a garden locked, a fountain sealed.
Your shoots are an orchard of pomegranates with all choicest fruits, henna with nard, nard and saffron, calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense, myrrh and aloes, with all chief spices-- a garden fountain, a well of living water, and flowing streams from Lebanon.

Queen: Awake, O north wind, and come, O south wind! Blow upon my garden, let its fragrance be wafted abroad. Let my beloved come to his garden, and eat its choicest fruits.

King: I come to my garden, my sister, my bride, I gather my myrrh with my spice, I eat my honeycomb with my honey, I drink my wine with my milk.

Chorus: Eat, O friends, and drink: drink deeply, O lovers!

Queen: I slept, but my heart was awake. Hark! my beloved is knocking. "Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove, my perfect one; for my head is wet with dew, my locks with the drops of the night."
I had put off my garment, how could I put it on? I had bathed my feet, how could I soil them? My beloved put his hand to the latch, and my heart was thrilled within me. I arose to open to my beloved, and my hands dripped with myrrh, my fingers with liquid myrrh, upon the handles of the bolt.
I would give you spiced wine to drink, the juice of my pomegranates.

"One cannot be sure what this means exactly..."

MortalWombat · 06-12-2004, 10:56 AM

All in all, the Bible has a pretty progressive attitude about it.

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Exodus 12:11
This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD's Passover.

Isaiah 28:4
That fading flower, his glorious beauty, set on the head of a fertile valley, will be like a fig ripe before harvest- as soon as someone sees it and takes it in his hand, he swallows it.

Matthew 15:25
The woman came and knelt before him.

Matthew 17:7
But Jesus came and touched them. "Get up," he said.

But the Bible warns against relying too much on it...

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Matthew 20:10
So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more.

...or getting too freaky and kinky:

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Matthew 23:24
You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

Toto · 06-12-2004, 01:06 PM

THe Catholic Church disapproves of all sex acts that are not "open to procreation." But there is no particular Biblical basis for that, and I don't have time right now to look up what the basis is.

Since it seems that the Bible says nothing about oral sex, I think that this might do better in GRD

dado · 06-12-2004, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobinius

Being a big fan of oral sex I am really curious what is the penalty [it has to be one, it feels too good] stated in the Bible for such a 'horrible perversion'?

one of the common neo-nazi charges directed at Jews is that we're obsessed with oral sex - so it's a safe bet the hebrew bible is at most ambiguous about restricting the practice.

8of9 · 06-12-2004, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MortalWombat

All in all, the Bible has a pretty progressive attitude about it. <snip>

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Matthew 17:7
But Jesus came and touched them. "Get up," he said.

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06-12-2004, 07:50 AM	#1
Bobinius Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Transylvania (a real place in Romania ) and France Posts: 2,914	What says the Bible about oral sex? Being a big fan of oral sex I am really curious what is the penalty [it has to be one, it feels too good] stated in the Bible for such a 'horrible perversion'? Oh, and what is the justification , if there is any, for oral sex being a bad thing to do? Viva el sexo, Bobinius

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06-12-2004, 08:22 AM	#3
Boomeister Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Big State in the South Posts: 448	I'm not aware of a bible verse that addresses oral sex. However, the bible may be against sex that isn't procreational. If you have oral sex and do not follow it through with sexual intercourse, then you might be "spilling the seed." The Old Testament God looks down upon that. Boomeister

06-12-2004, 08:37 AM	#4
Bobinius Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Transylvania (a real place in Romania ) and France Posts: 2,914	Oh good. So oral sex remains a moral problem to which the Bible can't answer? Based on Biblical reavealed morality we cannot tell if the oral sex is good or bad .[followed by intercourse if you wish, as long as the semen does not hit the ground as in the case of Onan] This leaves an indetermination in the Moral Objectivity of the theist. It is no longer objective, but relative to the opinion of different believers. If everybody remembers, that's the acusation theists throw in the face of the atheists. Your moral is relativistic. And i will bet that a lot of believers consider oral sex wrong and a perversion, and some will consider it to be ok. And they are not based on the Bible.

06-12-2004, 01:06 PM	#8
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	THe Catholic Church disapproves of all sex acts that are not "open to procreation." But there is no particular Biblical basis for that, and I don't have time right now to look up what the basis is. Since it seems that the Bible says nothing about oral sex, I think that this might do better in GRD

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