one allegiance

Lets not forget the most convincing evidence...They never had a sound reason for why Jesus's body was never found. They never found it. Perhaps b/c He DID in fact show himself to his disciples and ascend into heaven.

Javaman

Hmm... the word 'perhaps'. Reminds me of a story about monkeys and rear-ends. So, one allegiance, who is this 'They'?

There are no first-hand accounts of the ressurection.
The NT accounts differ anyway.
The location of the tomb is unknown.
A crucified man wouldn't be given a tomb.
Crucifiction takes days to kill someone yet Jesus apparently died in one evening.
He was supposed to have risen after three days and three nights.
He is anecdotally-alleged to have risen after two nights and one day in between them.

'Convincing' - I do not think that word means what you think it means.

one allegiance

He DID ascend into heaven...is that better?


Ever atheist scholar that there is...

Sure there are. The disciples and all of whom followed Jesus saw his works.

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It is certainly not.

Dude, are you ready to take on every historian..? B/c this has been proven.

Where are you getting this. Jesus was beaten beyond recognition for many hours before even being crucified.

hahaha..again where do you get this.

um..alright. I don't feel like arguing with a dictionary.

Javaman

Newsflash, they didn't write anything down.Where is it?OK, I'm willing to learn new things. Please give me a clue.Says who? Any evidence to back this up?Died on a Friday evening sometime. First night. Was dead on Saturday, the sabbath. First day. On Sunday morning, was discovered gone. Second night. Not like Jonah at all, huh?
I'm just saying it is only 'convincing' by a different standard of proof than normally considered for non-magical things.

Piking Viking

Let's not forget the most convincing evidence for Hercules...Christians never had a sound reason for why Hercule's body was never found. They never found it. Perhaps because he did in fact ascend to Mt. Olympus.

Javaman

Would you like a reference to the different gospel accounts of the ressurection? I would have thought you'd know what they say pretty well but, as your answer above about the contradictory nature was, "...", perhaps you need help.

one allegiance

This is very very fallacious. Jesus has been proven to be REAL. There is not even ONE educated atheist that would deny this. And javaman I will reply to you in a moment I have to go get something to eat. That's not even up for debate. The debate is over whether or not he was a deity.

ObiKenobi

I've always found this amusing. Since when did the fact that you can't produce the body of someone become evidence FOR their existence? It just seems all too convenient.

Biff the unclean

No, that’s just stupid. The bible says he physically ascended into the sky. There’s nothing waiting for him in the sky but death by freezing and suffocation.


You are just writing baloney. There is no body of Jesus for the same reason there is no body of Tarzan…they are both fictional characters

Wrong. There is no historic record that Jesus ever existed. No disciples, no witnesses…nothing. Not a single solitary record. Not a letter, not a passing reference, nothing, zip, nada.

It certainly is. Go to Jerusalem and you’ll find two tombs advertising themselves as THE tomb.

Bullshite. Java is supported by every historian of Roman history. Those who were crucified were ALWAYS left on the cross until they rotted away and their bones were taken by dogs. That’s the purpose of going to all the expense and effort.

Javaman

Proven how? There are no contemporaneous account by anybody that knew him during his 'life'. Nobody wrote about him until after his death and those people never met him. Never. Show the world anything to the contrary and you will be lauded heavily.