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Jack the Bodiless · 01-29-2008, 07:56 AM

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Last time I checked, Jeremiah 25 wasn't in the Book of Ezekiel.

We're not talking about the "king of the north". The subject of this thread is Ezekiel's failed prophecy that Nebby would take, plunder, and depopulate Egypt.

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And your argument is that it is a failed prophecy because Ezekiel wrote it after the fact and didn't record historical events correctly, right?

Huh? Of course not! :huh:

It is a failed prophecy because it NEVER HAPPENED.

Regardless of when Ezekiel wrote it.

Therefore it is probable that he wrote this before the (non-)event.

arnoldo · 01-29-2008, 07:56 AM

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If there ever is a worldwide disruption of oil production what kind of warfare will be conducted?

one that isn't done with chariots, horses, bows and arrows i can pretty much predict that! Hey look i am a better prophet than Ezekiel, at least i can get something right.

Good answer! Anyway I think we can both agree is that if Ezekiel would have written everything down accurately about what happened in Egypt it would have simply been written after the fact, right?

Jack the Bodiless · 01-29-2008, 08:03 AM

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one that isn't done with chariots, horses, bows and arrows i can pretty much predict that! Hey look i am a better prophet than Ezekiel, at least i can get something right.

Good answer! Anyway I think we can both agree is that if Ezekiel would have written everything down accurately about what happened in Egypt it would have simply been written after the fact, right?

That would be a reasonable assumption, yes. The burden of proof would then be on the apologist to demonstrate that this was not the case.

Do you understand this now?

arnoldo · 01-29-2008, 08:11 AM

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And your argument is that it is a failed prophecy because Ezekiel wrote it after the fact and didn't record historical events correctly, right?

Huh? Of course not! :huh:

It is a failed prophecy because it NEVER HAPPENED.

Regardless of when Ezekiel wrote it.

Therefore it is probable that he wrote this before the (non-)event.

Thank you for your answer that it is probable that Ezekiel wrote this prophecy in reference to Egypt before the non -event Did Ezekiel also write about the destruction of Tyre before the non-event also?

sugarhitman · 01-29-2008, 08:20 AM

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Huh? Of course not! :huh:

It is a failed prophecy because it NEVER HAPPENED.

Regardless of when Ezekiel wrote it.

Therefore it is probable that he wrote this before the (non-)event.

Thank you for your answer that it is probable that Ezekiel wrote this prophecy in reference to Egypt before the non -event Did Ezekiel also write about the destruction of Tyre before the non-event also?

Im still waiting for him to reply to this I cant wait. :wave:

Jack the Bodiless · 01-29-2008, 08:24 AM

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Huh? Of course not! :huh:

It is a failed prophecy because it NEVER HAPPENED.

Regardless of when Ezekiel wrote it.

Therefore it is probable that he wrote this before the (non-)event.

Thank you for your answer that it is probable that Ezekiel wrote this prophecy in reference to Egypt before the non -event Did Ezekiel also write about the destruction of Tyre before the non-event also?

Not quite. Ezekiel was apparently written in at least two stages. The failed Tyre prophecy was probably written before the end of the 13-year siege (likely near the beginning, as it doesn't seem to anticipate any problems for Nebby and indicates a forceful breach of Tyrian defenses rather than a long siege), whereas the admission that Nebby didn't get the promised plunder from Tyre was presumably written after the siege but before the failure of the subsequent expedition against Amasis II of Egypt.

Jack the Bodiless · 01-29-2008, 08:26 AM

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HINT4 (Armegeddon) In the Book of Joel "Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about....Multitudes , multitudes in the valley of decision: FOR THE DAY OF THE LORD is near in the valley of decision. THE SUN AND THE MOON SHALL BE DARKENED, AND THE STARS SHALL WITHDRAW THEIR SHINING....EGYPT SHALL BE A DESOLATION, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, FOR THE VIOLENCE AGAINST THE CHILDREN OF JUDAH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SHED INNOCENT BLOOD IN THEIR LAND." jOEL 3

Joel was also a false prophet (thanks for drawing that to my attention, sugarhitman). You're quoting from another book dealing with the aftermath of the Babylonian Exile (and therefore not addressing Nebby, who was long dead by then) in which God promises a general bloodbath on Israel's neighbors (including Egypt among others), combined with another failed promise that the Jews would be safe in their homeland henceforth.

martini · 01-29-2008, 08:36 AM

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Yeah maybe Ezekiel should have said "He shall come against you with tanks, and aeroplanes and assault rifles with bayonets on the end of them, he shall come against you like when America against Veitnam." Silly. Do I take glee at the destruction of the world?, no but I will do no sugar coating niether. So if I offend you too bad. :wave:

none-the-less, you have failed to address the issues. . . does this mean you are incapable of doing so or are you going to spring it at a later time or date?

at even the very beginning of EZE38, we see nothing but nonsensical claims being made: 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of [a] Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him 3 and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of [b] Meshech and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. 5 Persia, Cush [c] and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, 6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.

Mr Hitman, this is completely COMPLETELY incomprehensible. horses and horsemen? shields, large and small? and Cush? this is just a reference to the upper Nile region. Gomer? these are CLEARLY not even extant countries! good grief. how on the good green Earth can you possibly suggest this means ANYTHING in our world, today? this is as dated as a "prophecy" can get.

Mr Hitman, it seems you have missed my riposte.

please respond at your leisure.

juergen · 01-29-2008, 08:50 AM

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Right, the bible is actually 60 books but they are all consistent within each other even though they were written by different prophets across a time span of thousands of years from Genesis to Revelations.

They are so consistent that it's possible to construct several systematic theological frameworks that not only contradict each other, but are also set up by God himself, and therefore correct, every single one of them!

It's nothing short of a miracle.

Jack the Bodiless · 01-29-2008, 09:00 AM

Well, to be fair to arnoldo: if his Bible has 60 books, he must have thrown out a few.

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