spin

I'm still waiting for your answers. I have asked you many times now, while dealing with your quibbling. Here are the questions again:

1. Why were all the other Phoenician cities built on island, but you think Tyre, which was founded by Sidon, was not?
2. Why would the central city of Tyre be on the land if there was an island off the coast that they could inhabit and thus be safer from siege?
3. Why does Hiram king of Tyre say to Solomon, "do thou take care to procure us corn for this timber, which we stand in need of, because we inhabit in an island"? (Josephus, AJ 8.2.7. See also 8.6.3)
4. Why does Josephus tell us that Hiram "raised banks at the eastern parts of the city, and enlarged it; he also joined the temple of Jupiter Olympius, which stood before in an island by itself, to the city, by raising a causeway between them", Contra Apion 1.17, if Tyre was on the mainland?
5. Where were "Old Tyre"'s harbors?
6. Why did Shalmaneser V, Sennacherib and Ashurbanipal each besiege Tyre a few decades after the other, if they had each conquered the city and dominated it? Was it not because Tyre was an island and it came to an accord with each king from the safety of that island?
7. What did Nebuchadnezzar do against the inhabitants of the island for the 13 years?
8. Why does Ezekiel say, "King Nebuchadnezzar made his army labor hard against Tyre... yet neither he nor his army got anything from Tyre to pay for the labor he expended against it", 29:18?
9. Why does Ezekiel refer to the mainland possessions connected to Tyre as the "daughters on the land", if "Old Tyre" was on land?
10. Why does Ezekiel refer to Tyre as being in the midst of the sea, 27:32, if it was not an island?

spin

You clearly didn't read my previous post.

Your speculation isn't answering any of the questions.

What were their primary sources? Hmm?

chrisengland

Hello
I'm going to write some things later on this thread.
But I was reading the first page and I just had to say congradulations sugarhitman your possibly almost as irritating as James Patrick Holding

arnoldo

Yes, the truth has that effect . . .

Darklighter

That was a pun on the overall tone of sugarhitman's posts, btw. BUT, as to my own views on it I'm somewhat limited in my knoweledge of the historical context of that particular account. But as I mentioned in my post I believe that a deep understanding of ancient Tyre is unnecessary in this case and while I may not know that period of history very well, I know my Bible extremely well leading me to the conclusion that the text of the prophecy is VERY clear, it looks to have been written before the fact, and it failed.

Dodging questions, twisting history, and twisting the words of the Bible DOES NOT EQUAL TRUTH.

chrisengland

No sarcasm has that affect.
I've read articles from atheists and Christians most of them don't annoy me whatsoever' but people like you two are irritating.

arnoldo

Sorry, however you seem to think the Tyre prophecy is false, is that because you feel it is a forgery written after the fact?

Johnny Skeptic

Before, and revised after. What evidence do you have they the Tyre prophecy was written before the events, and was not later revised? If the prophecy was not written before the events, or if it was written before the events and later revised, obviously, it was not a prophecy, in which case whether or not the events happened are irrelevant, just as they would be a follower of another religion made similars claims. Under such a scenario, you would use the same approach that I am using in this thread in order to avoid wasting weeks or months of your time debating claims that might not have been made before the events.

Why won't you and sugarhitman provide any evidence that the prophecy was made before the events?

arnoldo

Thank you for your honest opinion that the Tyre prophecy was written before the fact. However my next question to you is why didn't the Jewish writers simply correct the mistakes in the scriptures?

Johnny Skeptic

Is it likely that a supposed prophet would claim that "a king of kings" would go down the streets of Tyre, and tear down its towers, and fail to conquer Tyre? The correct answer is no.

Johnny Skeptic

Since God did not tell Ezekiel about Alexander, it is obvious that he does not care whether or not people believe that he can predict the future.