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Jack the Bodiless · 01-13-2005, 01:30 AM

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Ed, I am STILL waiting for you to provide one single OUGHT from Christian theism that has no secular equivalent.

Your bluster isn't hiding the fact that you evidently cannot do this.

How about two? You ought to: 1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind.
2. Love your enemies.

Yes, and you ought to love humanity (including those whose views you don't agree with) because we're social animals and the survival of our species depends on it (especially in an age where nukes are available).

...But you haven't explained WHY we "ought" to love God, or our enemies.

So you've failed AGAIN.

How many times must we go through this before your failures become too embarrassing?

Wads4 · 01-16-2005, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed

Huh? There is no evidence that the ancient hebrews were trying to impose their religion and customs on the Egyptians.

I don't know what J-Christians are but if you are referring to American Christians the analogy fails. American Christians are just trying to help our country get back to the original principles that our country was founded on, ie judeo-christian principles and founded by mostly Christians. Egypt was not founded by hebrews nor on biblical principles.

Judeo-Christians actually.

Wads4 · 01-16-2005, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed

But atheists have no moral basis for condemning bin Laden. So you have no rational basis for bringing him up. The Amalekites had attacked the representatives of the King of the Universe to go along with their general mistreatment of women and children in their own society.

Oh yes we do- we use the common consensus of naturalistic civilised thinking which obliges us not to commit obvious atrocities and unaesthetic activities like indiscriminate slaughter. We wish to spread sweetness and light, -not fire, blood and pain.

Ed · 01-16-2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wufongtan

If God's character is the source of morality his actions will be the vehicle through which he expresses that character (or the actions he commands humans to take.)

So, let's test your ideas.

Do you feel it's moral for an invading army to round up all the virgin females of the people they have conquered, to keep for their own (to do as they wish with), but to kill everything else? Including pregnant women by ripping the unborn from their wombs?
lol@ questiong the morals of a invading army at all! lol

Do you think it is moral to publically execute a son for drunkenness?
yes.

If you had the power would it be moral of you to harden the heart of your enemy so that you could kill all the first born of his family and his neighbors in order that he give you want you want?
yes it would be moral. war is war.get over it and grow up
Is hatred a positive moral?
it can be.
heres my question is it moral for a forum full of people who spend their whole time debating ot should isay insulting a group of people for being too scared to face life, yet when soneone makes them face life with a simple question they put a gag on that person?
remember noone who is strong intheir beliefs fears questioning from anyone....and some groupsd wonder why they can't get any credibility.

God never did any of these things.

MrFrosty · 01-16-2005, 11:22 PM

After 563 replies, I still have no idea WTF this thread is about. The thread title is nonsensical.

Jack the Bodiless · 01-17-2005, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed

God never did any of these things.

In each case, he either did this, or commanded his followers to do so.

...You haven't read the Bible yet?

pairadocs · 01-17-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFrosty

After 563 replies, I still have no idea WTF this thread is about.

All I can say is, Jack The Bodiless, either you have the patience of a saint or you don't know when to let go. Or both. The whole thing reminds me of the Black Knight: "I'm invincible! Oh, runnin' away, are you? You yellow bastard!"

Ed · 01-18-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack the Bodiless

Ed: But atheists have no moral basis for condemning bin Laden. So you have no rational basis for bringing him up.

jtb: Yes, we do.

No, remember what Wads said, there are no oughts if atheistic evolution is true.

mongrel · 01-19-2005, 01:11 AM

Well, I think the time has come. This thread has far outlived it's usefulness, and after 23 pages it's time for it to be euthenised.

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mongrel Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North of the South Pole Posts: 5,177	Well, I think the time has come. This thread has far outlived it's usefulness, and after 23 pages it's time for it to be euthenised.

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