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mountainman · 07-23-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkvoy

Philo did not write of a man named Jesus but he did write of the Therapeutae, they "professed an art of healing superior to that practiced in the cities" - he may not have known Jesus by name but he knew of Therapeutae who taught of healing ....

Hey Pinkov,

You need to address the archaeology for the therapeutae of Asclepius. Here is a sample index. The personal physical to the Emperor Marcus Aurelius, Galen, calls himself a therapeutae of Asclepius. The Asclepian temple network in antiquity represented the public hospital system. These people were not christians.

While travelling from England to India in January 1897, on board the ship Prinz-Regent Luitpold, the venerable sage Vivekananda told Nivedita about his dream of an old bearded man named Therapeutae, (Theraputra - son [putra] of an old monk [thera]) who had asked:

"Do ye come to effect our restoration? I am one of the ancient order of Therapeutae The truths preached by us have been given out by Christians as taught by Jesus; but for the matter of that, there was no personality by the name of Jesus ever born".

- Extracted from Vivekananda's autobiography. Cited by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy; and Narasingha Prosad Sil

Toto · 07-24-2012, 01:00 AM

Pete - how long are you going to keep recycling that quote? You are stuck like a needle on a broken record.

You cited this in an archived thread from 2008: "Eusebian Hypothesis" -- unsubstantiated claims. In post 54 I gave you the full context of the original, which included the statement that Vivekananda "never refused to accept the historical Christ." But you have yet to acknowledge that, or explain why a dream of an Indian yogi has any relevance to anything here.

mountainman · 07-24-2012, 03:04 AM

I enjoy citing the Vivekananda dream of the Therapeutae to all those people who dream about the relationship of the early christians and the therapeutae.

My response all those years ago was as follows:

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Philo wrote about the Essenes as Jewish and the Therapeutae as in Egypt, Greece and "everywhere". From the little that I have seen, especially with the find of the DSS, people have assumed/expected an historical christian origins related to the Jewish essenes. People have essentially ignored discussion of these therapeutae in any discussions relating to the history of the NT literature and the origins of christianity --- in that the consensus has selected to follow "the essenes".

The Therapeutae of Antiquity have not been placed into the ancient historical perspective in terms of history, because it was such a class of people whom Constantine called "pagans", involved in temple services and traditions (since the temples, like the ones in Egypt, endured over the generations - until christianity appeared with Constantine).

Toto,

The point is that you need to address the archaeology for the therapeutae of Asclepius. See the linked index above. The personal physician to the Emperor Marcus Aurelius, Galen, calls himself a therapeutae of Asclepius.

The Asclepian temple network in antiquity represented the public hospital system. These people were not christians.

We have truckloads of evidence for non christian theraputae.

Why are we still dreaming about the therapeutae as missing links to early christianity?

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07-24-2012, 01:00 AM	#2
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Pete - how long are you going to keep recycling that quote? You are stuck like a needle on a broken record. You cited this in an archived thread from 2008: "Eusebian Hypothesis" -- unsubstantiated claims. In post 54 I gave you the full context of the original, which included the statement that Vivekananda "never refused to accept the historical Christ." But you have yet to acknowledge that, or explain why a dream of an Indian yogi has any relevance to anything here.

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