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andrewcriddle · 08-16-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben C Smith

I have recently transcribed the Greek text relevant to the pericope de adultera from Apostolic Constitutions 2.24.6:

Ετεραν δε τινα ημαρτηκυιαν εστησαν οι πρεσβυτεροι εμπροσθεν αυτου, και επ αυτω θεμενοι την κρισιν εξηλθον· ο δε καρδιογνωστης κυριος, πυθομενος αυτης ει κατεκριναν αυτην οι πρεσβυτεροι, και ειπουσης οτι ου ειπεν προς αυτην· Υπαγε· ουδε εγω σε κατακρινω.

And the elders stood another one, a certain sinful woman, before him, and went out, placing the [responsibility for] judgment upon him. But the Lord, who knows the heart, inquired of her whether the elders had condemned her, and after she said no he said to her: Move on; nor do I condemn you.

The Apostolic Constitutions here is dependent on the earlier Didascalia Apostolorum http://www.bombaxo.com/didascalia.html which reads

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But if thou receive not him who repents, because thou art without mercy, thou shalt sin against the Lord God; for thou obeyest not our Saviour and our God, to do as He also did with her that had sinned, whom the elders set before Him, and leaving the judgement in His hands, departed. But He, the Searcher of hearts, asked her and said to her: Have the elders condemned thee, my daughter? She saith to him: Nay, Lord. And he said unto her: Go thy way: neither do I condemn thee

Ben C Smith · 08-16-2006, 04:31 PM

Good point. As I understand it, books 1-6 are based on the Didascalia, book 7 on the Didache, and book 8 is a mixed bag.

BTW, what do you know about the Church Ordinances? (That title is so ambiguous; I mean the text that Bickell edited in 1843, Apostolische Kirchenordnung in German, I think.) Is there a more recent edition than that of Bickell? Does Migne have it somewhere?

Ben.

andrewcriddle · 08-18-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben C Smith

BTW, what do you know about the Church Ordinances? (That title is so ambiguous; I mean the text that Bickell edited in 1843, Apostolische Kirchenordnung in German, I think.) Is there a more recent edition than that of Bickell? Does Migne have it somewhere?

Ben.

It is usually known as the Apostolic Church Order or Apostolic Church Ordinances it dates from c 300 CE and was originally in Greek but mainly survives in Coptic Arabic Ethiopic and Syriac.

There are various editions based on the various languages in which it survives.

The versions with English Translation include JP Arendzen "An Entire Syriac Text of the Apostolic Church Order" JThS 3 (1901) 59-80 (available online for subscription) and GW Horner "The Statutes of the Apostles or Canones Ecclesiastici" 1904

Hope this helps
(There is quite a good Wiki Article at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostol...rch-Ordinances
but it seem down at the moment)

Andrew Criddle

Yuri Kuchinsky · 08-19-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewcriddle

The Palestinian Syriac Lectionary of the Gospels reedited from two Sinai MSS and from P de Lagarde's edition of the 'Evangeliarium Hierosolymitanum Lewis and Gibson 1899

See also 'A Comparison of the Palestinian Syriac Lectionary and the Greek Gospel Lectionary' Metzger in Neotestamenta and Semitica Studies in Honour of Matthew Black 1969 pps 209-220

The arrangement of lections is not typically Syriac instead it gives evidence of the Byzantine Greek lectionary in the late 1st millennium.

Anfrew Criddle

Thanks for these refs, Andrew.

Was it Metzger who originally proposed that PA migrated into its Lk 21:38 spot (as found in Ferrar Group MSS) under the influence of the lectionaries? Or was it someone else?

Best,

Yuri.

andrewcriddle · 08-19-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Yuri Kuchinsky

Thanks for these refs, Andrew.

Was it Metzger who originally proposed that PA migrated into its Lk 21:38 spot (as found in Ferrar Group MSS) under the influence of the lectionaries? Or was it someone else?

Best,

Yuri.

I think it was Colwell but I tried to find the reference in Colwell's work and couldn't so I'm very possibly wrong.

Andrew Criddle

Ben C Smith · 08-19-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewcriddle

It is usually known as the Apostolic Church Order or Apostolic Church Ordinances it dates from c 300 CE and was originally in Greek but mainly survives in Coptic Arabic Ethiopic and Syriac.

There are various editions based on the various languages in which it survives.

The versions with English Translation include JP Arendzen "An Entire Syriac Text of the Apostolic Church Order" JThS 3 (1901) 59-80 (available online for subscription) and GW Horner "The Statutes of the Apostles or Canones Ecclesiastici" 1904

Hope this helps
(There is quite a good Wiki Article at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostol...rch-Ordinances
but it seem down at the moment)

Andrew Criddle

Thanks, Andrew.

It is also my understanding that this document preserves a list of apostles similar to (and probably based on) that of the Epistula Apostolorum, separating Cephas from Peter. Martin Hengel discusses it in The Johannine Question, but the translator called the document in question the Apostolic Constitutions, which is of course quite misleading, and had me scratching my head for a long time.

Ben.

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08-16-2006, 04:31 PM	#42
Ben C Smith Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Midwest Posts: 4,787	Good point. As I understand it, books 1-6 are based on the Didascalia, book 7 on the Didache, and book 8 is a mixed bag. BTW, what do you know about the Church Ordinances? (That title is so ambiguous; I mean the text that Bickell edited in 1843, Apostolische Kirchenordnung in German, I think.) Is there a more recent edition than that of Bickell? Does Migne have it somewhere? Ben.

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