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Old 05-14-2012, 06:32 AM   #1
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Default 100% of Dated Texts show Jesus, the Disciples and Paul did NOT exist.

In order to re-construct the past one must have data. History, like Science, cannot be pursued on imagination--there MUST be actual data.

For example, when Galileo developed his theory about the movement of the earth it was IMPERATIVE that he collected ACTUAL data to support his theory. He did NOT merely imagine that the earth revolved around the sun.

Likewise, when someone is charged with carrying out some illegal act in the past it is ALSO IMPERATIVE that DATA be collected to support the charge.

A Charge cannot be maintained on imagination.

Well, HJers have claimed an historical Jesus did exist during the time of Pilate c 26-37 CE but have NOT provided any DATED evidence of antiquity that can confirm or corroborate their claim.

An Historical Jesus is based on IMAGINATION--ZERO DATED sources.

1. 100% of all DATED Texts by Paleography and Scientific means that mention Jesus, the Disciples and Paul are NO earlier than the 2nd century--c 125 CE.

2. 100% of all DATED Texts from the 1st century do NOT mention Jesus, the Disciples and Paul.

3. 100% of all non-apologetic Texts that mention Jesus and Paul are Forgeries or questionable.

4. 100% of Apologetic sources that mention the birth of Jesus claimed he was the Son of a Ghost.

This is PRECISELY, EXACTLY, what is EXPECTED if Jesus, the Disciples and Paul did NOT exist c 26-70 CE.

The theory that Jesus, the Disciples and Paul did NOT exist is supported by 100% of ALL DATED TEXTS.
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History is rather easy to re-construct once we have DATA from the past. That is all.

It is NOT possible to re-construct the history of Pontius Pilate unless we had CREDIBLE DATA from the past about him.

It could NOT be imagined that Pontius Pilate was a Procurator of Judea until there was a Source with such DATA.

Now, there are DATED sources of antiquity which mention a character called Jesus Christ. It is the SOURCES that contain the description of the characters in them.

It is imperative that it is understood that there are DATED SOURCES which were written sometime between 125 CE AND LATER.

Jesus was described as the Son of a Holy Ghost.

I cannot assume that the Dated Sources are history when it is claimed Jesus was some kind of Ghost.

That Jesus was FATHERED BY A Holy Ghost is EXACTLY and PRECISELY what I EXPECT in a Myth Fable.

Now, since Jesus was a Myth Fable then he could NOT have had real disciples or Apostles called Peter and James.

The Pauline writer could NOT have met Fictitious characters found in the DATED Myth Fables where Jesus was decribed as a Holy Ghost Child and God the Creator that walked on water, transfigured and resurrected.

History, Events of the past, just like SCIENCE, NEEDS CREDIBLE DATA.

The re-construction of the past, and a Scientific Theory must be developed from DATA-- NOT imagination.

We can re-construct the "history" of Jesus because we have LOTS of DATA.

When we put the DATA together we get a Child of a Ghost called Jesus.

Some may argue that the DATA is NOT Credible but they fail to understand that MYTH Fables are the product Fiction.

Myth Fables do NOT require Credible Data--just Fiction.

100% of the DATED Texts with stories about Jesus are Myth Fables.

Jesus and the Disciples, including the Apostles Peter and James are Myth characters in the DATED Jesus stories.

The Pauline writer claimed he MET those very same Myth characters in Jerusalem in the DATED Pauline letters.

None of them existed.

They are ALL Myth Fables--Jesus, the Disciples and Paul.


History is RATHER easy to reconstruct--just USE the DATA that is already available.

I use the DATED Sinaiticus Codex.

Sinaiticus Matthew
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18 But the birth of Jesus Christ was thus: After his mother Mary...... was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
History is a piece of cake. The simplicity of History surpasses Science.

Who was Jesus in the DATED Sinaiticus gMatthew???

The Child of the Holy Spirit!!!!

Who was Jesus in the DATED Sinaiticus gJohn???

God the Creator!!!!

When we use the DATED DATA for the Jesus stories and the Pauline letters we get MYTH Fables.

Jesus, the Disciples and Paul did NOT exist based on 100% of the DATED Texts.
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there MUST be actual data.
The religious are willing to substitute "faith" for data, aa.


It is a personality flaw with them.

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there MUST be actual data.
The religious are willing to substitute "faith" for data, aa.


It is a personality flaw with them.

It is time we stop hiding behind the "religous". Ehrman, a supposed historian, and HJers use IMAGINARY evidence to argue history.

History and Scientific theories cannot be developed WITHOUT Data.

How do people know that Gabriel was considered to be an Angel???

The answer is extremely simple. The DATA is found in gLuke 1.

How do people know that Caiaphas was considered an High Priest???

Again, nothing can be more simpler. Just look in gJohn for the DATA.

Well, how do people know Jesus was considered the Son of a Ghost, the Son of God and God the Creator???

Just look in the DATED Gospels and Pauline writings.

Jesus, the Disciples and Paul were Fiction characters in the Existing DATED Myth Fables of the CANON.
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History and Scientific theories cannot be developed WITHOUT Data

there is data


but there is a bad habit of the severely ignorant to dismiss it.
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History and Scientific theories cannot be developed WITHOUT Data

there is data


but there is a bad habit of the severely ignorant to dismiss it.
So, you admit your problem!!!

The DATED Jesus stories claim Jesus was the Son of a Ghost, God the Creator, that transfigured and walked on water.

Re-construct the DATED DATA. Re-construct the DATED Existing Codices.

I get Ghost stories and Myth Fables from the DATED DATA.

You got history!!!!
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The claim that the Pauline writings are early because they have very little about the Jesus story is in ERROR.

The Pauline writer KNEW the Jesus story VERY WELL.

The supposed Paul STAYED with the Apostle Peter for 15 days and Met the Apostle James the Lord's brother in Jerusalem.

There is NO evidence that the Apostle Peter and James did actually exist--These characters are FOUND in stories about Jesus.

The supposed Paul also claimed Jesus was God's Own Son, made of a woman, who DIED for OUR Sins, buried and was Resurrected on the THIRD Day which is found in the Gospels.

And further, the Pauline writer claimed Jesus VISITED the disciples, Apostles and OVER 500 people but the author of the short-ending gMark WROTE NOTHING about post-resurrections visits by Jesus.

In the short-ending gMark NO-ONE was told Jesus was resurrected.

The Pauline writers KNEW the Jesus story AFTER the short-ending gMark was composed.

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6-8 You seek Jesus the Nazarene who was crucified; he has risen, he is not here..........But go, tell his disciples, especially Peter........And going out they fled from the sepulcher........... and they said nothing to any one, for they were afraid.
The Claim that Jesus APPEARED to the Apostles, over 500 PEOPLE and to Paul is AFTER the short-ending gMark.

1 Cor.15
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..... he rose from the dead on the third day, according to the Scriptures;

5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.

6 After that he appeared to more than five hundred brethren at once........

7 After that he appeared to James, after that to all the apostles.

8 But, last of all, as to the one born out of due time, he appeared to me also.
The Pauline post-resurrection visits are INVENTIONS based on stories written AFTER the short-ending gMark.

Not one writer in the NT Canon personally knew a human Jesus--ONLY fiction stories and myth fables of him.

The DATED Texts show that the Myth Fables of Jesus and the Pauline letters were from the 2nd century or later.
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