Street_Scholar

I suppose it shows all of you in a good light? some of you have resort to ad-hominems?

And for your information I will address his post when I have some time, unlike you my life doesn't revolve around this forum, I have a life outside of it too.

aa5874

Rhutchin, can you name any of the hypocrites who did not escape eternal torment because they could not prove eternal torment existed?

Rhutchin, you continuously use the hypothetical and misconstrue them as facts. Rhutchin, you have no evidence that any hypocrite has used the Wager incorrectly or not. Rhutchin, you have no evidence that you will not be tormented eternally. Rhutchin, where are Adam and Eve today?

Rhutchin, Pascal's Wager is flawed, useless garbage. By the way, the fabrication of the Christian Gods can be very easily detected by reading Matthew ch1 verse 1-17 and Luke ch3 verse 23-34, then Matthew ch22 verse 42-46 and Revelation ch 22 verse 16.

After reading those passages it should be clear that the fabricators of the Christian Gods messed up big time. Pascal's Wager is not applicable to the Christian Gods, they are fabricated.

Pascal's Wager is garbage.

Hedshaker

What? Your snide one liners at Mageth's post wasn't ad-hominems?

How would you know anything about my life? Or are you now claiming to have psychic powers?

rhutchin

What do we gain by doing that?

I don't think that I would have any problem doing so.

rhutchin

Nope. I am not sure that Pascal did either. Since the claim of eternal torment cannot be proved true or false, any person who knows about eternal torment and does not seek to escape ti would eb a hypocrite.

Hmmmm.
...you have evidence that you will be tormented eternally.
According to the Bible, yes unless God saves me.

...you have no evidence that you will be tormented eternally.
On the contrary, we have the Bible.

...you have evidence that you will not be tormented eternally.
Yes, in that God has saved me.

...you have no evidence that you will not be tormented eternally.
The contrary position to the previous statement, so I think it false (i.e., I do think I have evidence).

The Bible says, of those whom God has saved that to be absent from the body is to be present with God. If Adam and Eve are real and God is real, then they are with God.

Why are you so fearful that the Wager is valid that you are continually trying to convince yourself that it is useless?

OK. So, you cannot grasp context. Didn't we already know that?

Dlx2

Mainly we are able to address the actual argumentation of the wager rather than sniping each other's posts. Additionally, it strikes me that the interesting part of this debate is not the existence of God or superstition, but rather whether the mechanism of the Wager accurately models uncertainty. A one-on-one discussion in the debate forum would allow more extensive referencing of the Pensees by both of us, so that we can better address the structure of the Wager and would make it more worthwhile to diagram the argument that Pascal makes such that his premises and conclusions can be better dissected and addressed.

If you're interested, I'll post a debate proposal in the proposals forum.

aa5874

Rhutchin, you are the one who claims to believe in the Christian Gods. Is it not obvious that you are the fearful one. You 'believe' in Gods that are you are uncertain exist, so that you may escape from uncertain eternal torment.

My position is that the Christian Gods are fabricated, so those Gods cannot punish anyone. I am stating ,with emphasis, after research and evidence, the Christian Bible is pure fiction.

Pascal's Wager is useless garbage. The Wager is based on uncertainty. Uncertainty defeats the Wager. In uncertainty, all infinite scenarios must be taken into account, not only the Christian Gods but every imaginale God and every imaginable threat of punishment.

Pascal postulates erroneously that the Christian Gods threat of eternal punishment is the only threat to fear. Any person who is uncertain of eternal punishment will not come to that conclusion based on the mere fact they are uncertain.

Rhutchin, your belief is not absolue. Uncertainty of Eternal Torment demands a thorough look at all threats from all Gods to Wager correctly.

Pascal's Wager is useless rubbish.

enemigo

I'd really like to see this line of discussion carried over to a formal debate between you and rhutchin as well.

DMW

Rhutchin, I am still waiting for a reply to post 2487 and 2550.

DMW

DMW

Same here.

DMW