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Baalazel · 08-26-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Baalazel

I had to look up garrulous. Thanks, I love new words.

Baal

No problem. "Garrulous" is the perfectly cromulent word in this situation.

Now you're just messing with my head.

Baal (who buys a new dictionary tomorrow)

Amaleq13 · 08-26-2007, 10:04 PM

While I thoroughly enjoy a sesquipedalian exchange as much as the next guy, the real challenge is posting something relevant to the thread.

youngalexander · 08-27-2007, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

and I forgot - it reappears at every Mass as well!

I wanted this to be a serious discussion because this may be game set and match in favour of the mythicist position - the gospels and early church - possibly huge chunks of current xianity - accept the above and therefore by definition are not and never have been talking of a historical Jesus - all they ever believed in was a god doing miracles in Judea.

Fast forward to 200 C.E. The first Christian pictorial representations - the flesh is non-existent!

storytime · 08-28-2007, 02:10 PM

Christians have long declared they will rise to heaven in their flesh and blood bodies, just as Jesus, so will they. And just as Jesus opened the tomb, so will he open their graves. Does this sound like a mystical experience?

Is the story of the dry bones still used as example of how God will restore even thousand year old men? Yes, from everything I hear this is still an example used. God can restore flesh and blood and make it rise out of a grave.

So if Christians begin to see the story as mysticism, and only the spirit rising to meet Jesus in the air, then will that be enough for them to continue seeing any worth to this mythical story telling? And, isn't the physical element what Paul was in fear of losing when he said that some were attempting to destroy the faith with their "resurrection has passed already"? In other words, some of the people believed that Jesus rose physically but that no one else would. Why have faith in Jesus if one cannot expect the same "glorified" body for oneself?

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08-26-2007, 10:04 PM	#22
Amaleq13 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Eagle River, Alaska Posts: 7,816	While I thoroughly enjoy a sesquipedalian exchange as much as the next guy, the real challenge is posting something relevant to the thread.

08-28-2007, 02:10 PM	#24
storytime Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Posts: 2,608	Christians have long declared they will rise to heaven in their flesh and blood bodies, just as Jesus, so will they. And just as Jesus opened the tomb, so will he open their graves. Does this sound like a mystical experience? Is the story of the dry bones still used as example of how God will restore even thousand year old men? Yes, from everything I hear this is still an example used. God can restore flesh and blood and make it rise out of a grave. So if Christians begin to see the story as mysticism, and only the spirit rising to meet Jesus in the air, then will that be enough for them to continue seeing any worth to this mythical story telling? And, isn't the physical element what Paul was in fear of losing when he said that some were attempting to destroy the faith with their "resurrection has passed already"? In other words, some of the people believed that Jesus rose physically but that no one else would. Why have faith in Jesus if one cannot expect the same "glorified" body for oneself?

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