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Toto · 05-06-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean Anderson

Isn't it referring to the Talmudic tradition about "Yeshu Ben Pandera"?

Would that not count as some (albeit very weak) support?

But this legend seems to be more of a reaction to the virgin birth stories than an independent tradition.

Malachi151 · 05-06-2007, 04:32 PM

I've always read that the age would have been 12 based on the claim that girls were married at age 13, and 12 was the time in waiting before the marriage, and they weren't married yet, so she would have been 12.

Of course, it's all nonsense and Mary is just a made up character, but still...

Boro Nut · 05-06-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

There is no support for Mary at all, pregnant, 10 years old, mother, or husband of anyone.

Well if you have any specific complaints I would advise you write in person to pre-christian social services enclosing a stamped addressed envelope, although I'm sure they'll be very reluctant to discuss individual cases. I should warn you they are seriously understaffed and hopelessly underfunded, so don't expect miracles. At least not until the kiddy is about 30-ish anyways.

Boro Nut

Chili · 05-06-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GiantOreo

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, Mary gave birth to Jesu when she was about thirteen or fourteen years of age.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm

The birth of Christ was a rebirth inside the mind of Joseph to whom Mary was betrothed from birth and therefore Jesus is the reborn Joseph and Mary was the woman that was taken from Joseph to be his dowry upon his return to Eden.

The Pieta shows that they are the same aga and actually the same body as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelangelo's_Pieta

Toto · 05-06-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chili

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The Pieta shows that they are the same aga and actually the same body as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelangelo's_Pieta

Um, the Pieta is not a historically accurate rendition, and Mary's youthfulness in that sculpture is either artistic licence or theological testimony. But your link makes this slightly bizarre comment:

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The Madonna is represented as being very young, and about this peculiarity there are different interpretations. One is that her youth symbolizes her incorruptible purity, as Michelangelo himself said to his biographer and fellow sculptor Ascanio Condivi:

Do you not know that chaste women stay fresh much more than those who are not chaste? How much more in the case of the Virgin, who had never experienced the least lascivious desire that might change her body?

gracebkr · 05-06-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiberius

Um, unless Mary was giving birth to jesus as she herself popped out of her mum, Mary was never the same age as Jesus.

Unless you want to say that mary was the same age when she gave birth to Jesus that jesus was at some point of his life.

However, you didn't specify that point. So, since Jesus was 28 years old at one point (if he existed), and I am currently 28 years old, I am slo the same age as Jesus.

But this is ridiculous anyway. if we say that Billy is the same age as jenny, then we take it to mean that Billy's age now is the same as Jenny's age now.

lol, I didn't catch that, I am cracking up over here now.

Chili · 05-06-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

But your link makes this slightly bizarre comment:

Yes I know but I gave you the real answer for her youthfulness.

mojuang · 05-07-2007, 07:09 AM

These fictional account of characters called jesus and mary can have as many variations as we like.this state in which a son is of the same age as the mother.....what could it be called in biology?

Chili · 05-07-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mojuang

These fictional account of characters called jesus and mary can have as many variations as we like.this state in which a son is of the same age as the mother.....what could it be called in biology?

They are not fictional but what you have in mind may be fictional.

Man as man is eternal and therefore needs continuity beyond his human condition and that is where Mary is the name given to the woman wherein man has this continuity.

This makes for a whole bunch of things but one of them is that Mary is not human and therefore sinless, she is virgin, yes, and is virgin of virgins in perpetuity to say that without her human virginity could not even be. IOW (without apology), she is the essence of womanity that precedes its existence in form.

Message for Toto: I read an article once that the body of Jesus and Mary are identical as far as they could be measured and compared with each other.

Lugubert · 05-08-2007, 07:40 AM

And then there's another supposedly young fictional girl: the adultress. My NT teacher said that she must have been some 12-13 years old, because any younger, it wouldn't have been adultery, at the suggested age she should have been betrothed and thus capable of adultery, and if married the punishment would'nt have been stoning.

This reasoning would support the Mary low age span, but my derailing question is, what actions on this kid's part would have constituted adultery? The connection to the OT might be, what might Mary have faced if prosecuted?

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05-06-2007, 04:32 PM	#12
Malachi151 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 8,674	I've always read that the age would have been 12 based on the claim that girls were married at age 13, and 12 was the time in waiting before the marriage, and they weren't married yet, so she would have been 12. Of course, it's all nonsense and Mary is just a made up character, but still...

05-07-2007, 07:09 AM	#18
mojuang Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: mombasa,Kenya Posts: 52	These fictional account of characters called jesus and mary can have as many variations as we like.this state in which a son is of the same age as the mother.....what could it be called in biology?

05-08-2007, 07:40 AM	#20
Lugubert Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Western Sweden Posts: 3,684	And then there's another supposedly young fictional girl: the adultress. My NT teacher said that she must have been some 12-13 years old, because any younger, it wouldn't have been adultery, at the suggested age she should have been betrothed and thus capable of adultery, and if married the punishment would'nt have been stoning. This reasoning would support the Mary low age span, but my derailing question is, what actions on this kid's part would have constituted adultery? The connection to the OT might be, what might Mary have faced if prosecuted?

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