Deus Ex

I asked if IBIH believed that he was infallible in his beliefs. His answer was yes. Nothing would convince him that he was wrong.

I can honestly say that there are many things that would convince me that I am wrong. Who is more open minded?

Newfie

And if you are wrong, then you have wasted your life, yes? Lucky for you, I guess, that if you are wrong you of course will not realize it. If you did the regret would be Hell, wouldn't it?

WilliamFearless

When I was in the ministry, I never understood Christians like you. I always remained in the lives of the unsaved friends in my life, and I was always sure to keep our friendship, regardless of ANY difference in our philosophy. They knew they could always come to me at any time no matter what and I would help them. I would give them the shirt off my back. We were friends, and me becoming a Christian wasn't going to change that, in fact, it was a great opportunity for me to indirectly show them the love of Christ.

I remember in the bible study group that I led, discussing this this very subject with a group of Christians:

Ironically, these same Christians ended up rejecting me and casting me out of their group when I began having a crisis of faith and questioning the bible (I became a "stumbling block") I never understood the mentality of Christians who need to look up the word "friend" in the dictionary to understand what the word means, because I could never imagine in my entire life why anyone would want to treat someone in that shitty of a manner. For Jesus, no less.

IBelieveInHymn

I will always be there for my old friends, they know that without question. Just because I refuse to be on Facebook doesn't mean I think of them any less. And since we are talking about "true friendship", do you consider them to be true friends by calling me "holy ruler?" A true friend accepts you for who you are, not because of a religion. I just don't want to be affiliated with people that listen to the Devil's music while fist pumping "hail satan!!" I'm sorry, but that's not my type of crowd anymore. I used to do that kind of stuff when I was in my teens.

I think this verse reveals a person becoming an unbeliever. I may be wrong, but it sure does fit the description of an atheist.

Yes, this verse says spread the word of God unto the world. Let your love for God shine upon the world.

Jesus doesn't want "luke warm" believers. You must be on fire for Him to receive a reward.

Jesus said; If they don't hear your words, you must shake the dust from your feet and walk away from them.

I believe that's what your Christian friends did to you.

They were only following the words of their Savior.

Toto

BTW - it's "Holy Roller" not "holy ruler."

IBelieveInHymn

Yes, that's what he said.. Sorry for the typo. Except I don't roll on the floor speaking in tongues.

Johnny Skeptic

You have not provided any credible evidence that Satan exists. Have you ever seen him? No. Do you personally know any contemporary person who has ever seen him? No. Did any of the Disciples ever see him? No. Is the Bible inerrant? No.

By the way, preaching and personal opinions are not credible evidence.

badger3k

Now, now, he saw people listening to Satan's Music and pumping their fist in the air while saying "Hail Satan!" - obviously, they wouldn't do that if he didn't exist.

Actually, I bet if we went and actually talked to these people, we'd find most of this was in his head. It's possible he was into the Death Metal scene, but from the way he talks, he's too much like a stereotype to be real. He probably converted, started to preach to his friends, and they rejected him, causing him to slip into this fantasy. I'd be curious to hear of Ibelieve has had any demonic encounters, or been bothered by evil spirits. Maybe even exorcised them himself?

I do like the way he not-so-subtly reveals his dislike for us - since he thinks we are fit only to be thrown out and trampled by men. I'm glad he doesn't say we're going to hell! :Cheeky:

IBelieveInHymn

Yes, I used to have friends that worshipped Satan through the power of satanic black metal.

No, it's not all in my head. I speak the truth. Why would I lie about my friends worshipping Satan through death metal music? Heck, I'm the one who got them listening to that stuff when we were kids. The problem is, they still listen to it, and I have moved on. I used to live a very evil and wicked life. I would go to the CD store and look for music that condemned God. Now I look for music that glorifies God. God turned my life around.

I've never preached to my friends, nor have I preached to my family. I usually say "we are living in the end times", but that's about it. And yes, I have had encounters with demons and spirits. I was sitting in my bedroom when I was a teen, and we were listening to VENOM (7 GATES OF HELL) and we were chanting "praise satan!!" and the next thing we saw was my doorknob turning very slowly, we rushed to the door and opened it and no one was there. We told my father about the experience the next morning, and he told us, you are welcoming Satan in your soul. He smashed all of the CD's. :banghead:

I do not dislike anyone. I said a person who becomes an unbeliever are thrown out and trampled by man. But ONLY you can change that. Everyday you're above ground is a day you can make that change. Me personally, I think it's sheer lunacy to die an atheist. Because you just never know what door will open for you.

DrZoidberg

I think this is very funny. Atheism is a matter of being convinced by an argument. The fact that fewer and fewer people are being convinced of theism is here used as evidence for it's truth. :huh:

Imagine using this in court. "Your honour, I know my client was found on the scene of the crime with the blood stained knife in her hand, but doesn't this point to the fact that she is innocent?" The answer is obviously "no". Christianity being unconvincing, doesn't need Satan. All it needs is weak arguments.