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Old 02-02-2013, 01:52 PM   #121
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So good research doesnt qualify under authority?
Not necessarily.
Its either, appeal to authority.

Or, appeal to ignorance.

The choice is yours.
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What about appeal to evidens?
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What about appeal to evidens?
Its either, appeal to authority.

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Its either, appeal to authority.

Or, appeal to ignorance.

The choice is yours.
What about appeal to evidens?
Its either, appeal to authority.

Or, appeal to ignorance.

The choice is yours.
That's philosophy not history.

(The OP cites philosophy NOT history)

History requires evidence.

You can appeal to the authority of Biblical Scholars and Theological College graduates until the cows come home, but without any evidence your appeals remain pulpit rhetoric.
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Old 02-03-2013, 03:16 PM   #125
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Its either, appeal to authority.

Or, appeal to ignorance.

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That's philosophy not history.

(The OP cites philosophy NOT history)

History requires evidence.

You can appeal to the authority of Biblical Scholars and Theological College graduates until the cows come home, but without any evidence your appeals remain pulpit rhetoric.

No

what your stating applies to the uneducated internet bloggers posting hypothesis they know little about. That is a severe appeal to ignorance. Fail.
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Its either, appeal to authority.

Or, appeal to ignorance.

The choice is yours.
That's philosophy not history.

(The OP cites philosophy NOT history)

History requires evidence.

You can appeal to the authority of Biblical Scholars and Theological College graduates until the cows come home, but without any evidence your appeals remain pulpit rhetoric.

No

what your stating applies to the uneducated internet bloggers posting hypothesis they know little about. That is a severe appeal to ignorance. Fail.

Your OP cites a philosophical definition.

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This is a term I see mythers and apologist commonly perverting and abusing from a a point of ignorance.


I think these definitions need to be posted for those who wish to abuse said phrase.

http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/authority.html
In case you misunderstand this forum is primarily concerned with appeals to authority in the field of ancient history and not philosophy.

Unlike the field of philosophy the field of history requires its practitioners to address items of historical evidence.

If you do not understand this primary requirement you are merely preaching to the philosophical choir.
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Old 02-03-2013, 04:40 PM   #127
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The topic of this section of he forum is not what you sugest, but it is, Biblical criticism and history.

Of which authorties do have the say, on many topics.


Lets use you and me, VS spin and DC. One group is more educated and thus their opinions more valuable.


Its about ignorance VS knowledge.


You personally dont like modern scholarships because it goes directly against your hobby horse.
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The topic of this section of he forum is not what you sugest, but it is, Biblical criticism and history.

Of which authorties do have the say, on many topics.

But also see the entry for "appeal to authority" under propaganda techniques

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Lets use you and me, VS spin and DC. One group is more educated and thus their opinions more valuable.


Its about ignorance VS knowledge.


If you are dealing with ancient history it is all about evidence.

One may be either ignorant or knowledgable about the evidence.


One may of course appeal to an authority on the interpretation of various items (or patterns) of evidence.




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This OP is not about my ideas.

Stay with the OP.

Address the mandatory requirement of citing evidence (before authorities) in the field of ancient history.
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What? No. Only appeal to evidence.
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Its either, appeal to authority.

Or, appeal to ignorance.

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What? No. Only appeal to evidence.


And it takes someone knowledgeable [authority] to deal with evidence.


"appeal to knowledge" is the same thing.


We do not appeal to ignorance, because the ignorant promote the ideas we personally favor.
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