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Don2 (Don1 Revised) · 09-18-2012, 01:11 PM

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SoA grabbing stuff from blogs, tea party websites, the national review. A true conservolibertarian.

National Review libertarian? The Tea Party (post 2009) libertarian? Huh?

Jason, we've been through this before. There is such a thing as a conservative libertarian/libertarian conservative. (FYI, there is also such a thing as a liberal libertarian which I used to be labeled when I took the world's smallest political quiz by guess who? The Libertarian party.) A conservolibertarian is exactly that and often they will call themselves Libertarians. SoA is calling himself a Libertarian but he is citing both libertarian and conservative sites. So, he's clearly a libertarian conservative.

Jason Harvestdancer · 09-18-2012, 01:18 PM

We've been through this before, and that neologism was created specifically to imply that libertarians support all the worst points of the conservative agenda. A person can straddle the line, be a "conservative libertarian" or a "liberal libertarian". That is clearly not what is meant by the term "conservolibertarian."

If you want to say SoA straddles the line, go ahead and call him a "conservative libertarian". On the other hand, do a search for the neologism "conservolibertarian" and you will find that while it is never explicitly defined by those who use the term, my definition is quite accurate.

Why not just use the term "market evangelist" and be done with it?

Jimmy Higgins · 09-18-2012, 02:00 PM

This person understands that a Formal Debate is formal and requires a higher standard of evidence, right?

AthenaAwakened · 09-18-2012, 02:29 PM

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This person understands that a Formal Debate is formal and requires a higher standard of evidence, right?

No, not really

Jimmy Higgins · 09-18-2012, 02:54 PM

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This person understands that a Formal Debate is formal and requires a higher standard of evidence, right?

No, not really

I suppose it is better than him using name calling and posting a photoshopped picture of a guy with their head up his butt.

Don2 (Don1 Revised) · 09-18-2012, 04:33 PM

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We've been through this before, and that neologism was created specifically to imply that libertarians support all the worst points of the conservative agenda.

All of your arguments are hand-waving and you need to focus on something concrete. So, please explain why SoA is clearly so TeaParty/NationalReview, but calls himself Libertarian.

Jason Harvestdancer · 09-18-2012, 07:41 PM

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We've been through this before, and that neologism was created specifically to imply that libertarians support all the worst points of the conservative agenda.

All of your arguments are hand-waving and you need to focus on something concrete.

You use terms whose definitions are obfuscated by design, and accuse me of hand-waving. That's called "projection".

Don2 (Don1 Revised) · 09-18-2012, 09:42 PM

Don's request to Jason:

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So, please explain why SoA is clearly so TeaParty/NationalReview, but calls himself Libertarian.

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You use terms whose definitions are obfuscated by design, and accuse me of hand-waving. That's called "projection".

There is no good answer to the request.

Jason Harvestdancer · 09-19-2012, 06:23 AM

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Don's request to Jason:

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All of your arguments are hand-waving and you need to focus on something concrete.

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You use terms whose definitions are obfuscated by design, and accuse me of hand-waving. That's called "projection".

There is no good answer to the request.

I focused on the concrete example of undefined terms.

Don2 (Don1 Revised) · 09-19-2012, 07:36 AM

Jason, perhaps you are not intentionally being evasive, but this is now the 3rd time I make the request:

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So, please explain why SoA is clearly so TeaParty/NationalReview, but calls himself Libertarian.

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09-18-2012, 01:18 PM	#22
Jason Harvestdancer Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lake Los Angeles, CA, USA Posts: 5,115	We've been through this before, and that neologism was created specifically to imply that libertarians support all the worst points of the conservative agenda. A person can straddle the line, be a "conservative libertarian" or a "liberal libertarian". That is clearly not what is meant by the term "conservolibertarian." If you want to say SoA straddles the line, go ahead and call him a "conservative libertarian". On the other hand, do a search for the neologism "conservolibertarian" and you will find that while it is never explicitly defined by those who use the term, my definition is quite accurate. Why not just use the term "market evangelist" and be done with it?

09-18-2012, 02:00 PM	#23
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	This person understands that a Formal Debate is formal and requires a higher standard of evidence, right?

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