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IamMoose · 05-04-2005, 06:03 AM

I am gonna send this to BC and H

*gives thread friendly pat and wishes it godspeed on its journey*

McD · 05-04-2005, 06:29 AM

I read about the 616/666 issue in Asimov's Guide to the Bible over ten years ago

Toto · 05-04-2005, 11:08 AM

I'm more interested in this:

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Now a team of expert classicists, using new photographic techniques, are finally deciphering the original writing.

From here

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The original papyrus documents were discovered more than a century ago in an ancient rubbish dump in central Egypt. Oxyrhynchus, site of the discovery, lies a little over 100 miles southwest of modern-day Cairo on a Nile tributary. It rose to prominence during the Hellenistic period, and in the Roman Empire. As a regional capital, it was onsidered to be the third city of Egypt.

Most of the papyri are decayed, worm-eaten, black and unreadable – until now. Using new photographic techniques developed from satellite imaging, scientists are restoring the original writing to view. As David Keys and Nicholas Pyke write “Academics have hailed it as a development which could lead to a 20 per cent increase in the number of great Greek and Roman works in existence. Some are even predicting a ‘second Renaissance.’�?

There is an online guide and database for the project, where you can find a very detailed description of their methodology for imaging. Or you can see a few photographs of the papyrus retained at Allentown Pennsylvania’s Muhlenberg College Trexler Library Rare Book Collection, here and especially here.

The potential for myriad discoveries is immense. With 400,000 fragments stored in 800 boxes at Oxford's Sackler Library, the Oxyrhynchus Papyri is the largest trove of classical manuscripts in the world.

As Keys and Pyke report, "The previously unknown texts, read for the first time last week, include parts of a long-lost tragedy - the Epigonoi ("Progeny") by the 5th-century BC Greek playwright Sophocles; part of a lost novel by the 2nd-century Greek writer Lucian; unknown material by Euripides; mythological poetry by the 1st-century BC Greek poet Parthenios; work by the 7th-century BC poet Hesiod; and an epic poem by Archilochos, a 7th-century successor of Homer, describing events leading up to the Trojan War. Additional material from Hesiod, Euripides and Sophocles almost certainly await discovery."

Jedi Mind Trick · 05-04-2005, 11:28 AM

According to preterists, the Latin numerical equivalent for NERO is 616. they say the 616 variants and indicate that the early church definitely thought that Nero was the antichrist.

Haran · 05-04-2005, 12:26 PM

I do not understand why this has been termed "new"...it is not. Sensationalism... :banghead:

Anyway, here is a link showing papyrus manuscript p115 which contains the number 616. To non-geeks, it is in the third visible line of writing from the top, next to the right side of the fragment, and looks like XIC with a bar over the top. Pictures of p115 have even been on the web for at least two or three years, I believe.

Pic of p115 w/ 616 for number of the beast

Toto · 05-04-2005, 12:39 PM

This poster agrees with you, Haran: Unholy Hype

The key seems to be that

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Texts deciphered over the past few days will be published next month by the London-based Egypt Exploration Society, which financed the discovery and owns the collection.

I am not familiar with the Egypt Exploration Society, which goes back to the 19th c., but it would not be surprising if they learned some PR techniques from Hershel Shanks and want to get some public recognition and a return on their investments. That's modern life.

freigeister · 05-04-2005, 01:16 PM

Somebody better tell Flemming to reschedule his premiere.

judge · 05-04-2005, 03:35 PM

I think in Hebrew the transliteration of Neron caeser adds up to 666.
In Latin Nero Caeser adds up to 616.

Don't know if this is true.

Here is a link

Apparently a ccording to Wikipedia

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some copies of Irenaeus's works have 616

05-04-2005, 06:29 AM	#12
McD Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Pueblo, CO Posts: 1,794	Asimov was right! I read about the 616/666 issue in Asimov's Guide to the Bible over ten years ago

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05-04-2005, 06:03 AM	#11
IamMoose Veteran Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: On the fringes of the Lake District, UK Posts: 9,528	I am gonna send this to BC and H gives thread friendly pat and wishes it godspeed on its journey

05-04-2005, 11:28 AM	#14
Jedi Mind Trick Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianaplolis Posts: 4,998	According to preterists, the Latin numerical equivalent for NERO is 616. they say the 616 variants and indicate that the early church definitely thought that Nero was the antichrist.

05-04-2005, 12:26 PM	#15
Haran Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 1,490	I do not understand why this has been termed "new"...it is not. Sensationalism... :banghead: Anyway, here is a link showing papyrus manuscript p115 which contains the number 616. To non-geeks, it is in the third visible line of writing from the top, next to the right side of the fragment, and looks like XIC with a bar over the top. Pictures of p115 have even been on the web for at least two or three years, I believe. Pic of p115 w/ 616 for number of the beast

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freigeister Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 503	Somebody better tell Flemming to reschedule his premiere.

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