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Old 12-12-2003, 11:28 AM   #21
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I think I'd like clarification of the following:

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Jesus' mortal body was made His ressurected body. God restored His mortal body to immortality, and transformed it to perfect ( although Jesus retained the signs of His wounds as a reminder to the world of His sacrifice).
Wouldn't wound or scars of wounds necessarily be an imperfection? And isn't a perfect body with imperfections a contradiction?
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Wouldn't wound or scars of wounds necessarily be an imperfection? And isn't a perfect body with imperfections a contradiction?
No, because the wounds aren't imperfections in His case. They are symbols of the perfect sacrifice.
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Old 12-12-2003, 12:03 PM   #23
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His body isn't just physical, its also spiritual and glorified. After His ressurection, Jesus walked through walls.
A spiritual body able to walk through walls? That’s the same thing near-death experiencers report: that they are in some kind of ethereal body and that they can pass through doors and walls. So Jesus is not so unique after all...
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A spiritual body able to walk through walls? That’s the same thing near-death experiencers report: that they are in some kind of ethereal body and that they can pass through doors and walls. So Jesus is not so unique after all...
During our ressurection, we gain glorified bodies too that can do much of what Jesus can.
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During our ressurection, we gain glorified bodies too that can do much of what Jesus can.
You missed the point of what I was saying: near-death experiencers are not resurrected, but they report the same thing that Jesus allegedly did in his spiritual body (walking through walls). This means that Jesus probably materialised in a spiritual body, which is what happens to every person who dies the physical death.

I have no problem with Jesus rising from the dead; I just say it doesn’t make him God.
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You missed the point of what I was saying: near-death experiencers are not resurrected, but they report the same thing that Jesus allegedly did in his spiritual body (walking through walls). This means that Jesus probably materialised in a spiritual body, which is what happens to every person who dies the physical death.

I have no problem with Jesus rising from the dead; I just say it doesn’t make him God.
The Bible makes it quite clear that Jesus is God. The descriptions of Yahweh in the OT, and Jesus in the NT, are exact. I know you don't believe in Christianity or Jesus, but Jesus was God, and He rose in His physical body. A purely spiritual ressurection is a heresy.
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Where is Jesus's body?

Obviously not on earth.

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It can't be proven if jesus' body is on earth or not, or if it ever was on earth.
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Old 12-12-2003, 08:09 PM   #28
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The Bible makes it quite clear that Jesus is God. The descriptions of Yahweh in the OT, and Jesus in the NT, are exact. I know you don't believe in Christianity or Jesus, but Jesus was God, and He rose in His physical body. A purely spiritual ressurection is a heresy.
The bible does not make quite clear that jesus was god, you are only thinking this, if you like stating opinions, that is fine, but as with your attitude, you state it as a fact, so please back up the statement.

As to the real connection between the OT and the NT, again you state this like a fact, once again, please show where this is located.

These statements that you have made are very offensive to 10s of millions of people, it would be nice to really be able to back these up, or at least insist they are of your own opinion or only according with christian beliefs.
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Old 12-12-2003, 08:24 PM   #29
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There is absolutely no Biblical support for Mary's assumption.
Speaking of "ideas with no Biblical Support", we're *still* waiting for Biblical support for your apocalypse ideas.

Sorry, I just had to interject a bit of reality into the requisite "Let's bash the Catholics for doing things we do ourselves, especially since they do it better and more consistently" session. Carry on.
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Old 12-12-2003, 08:45 PM   #30
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We don't know where Heaven is. Its a created place
Well, there aren't many Atheists who would disagree with that statement....
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