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Keith&Co. · 07-25-2008, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by juergen

They worshipped the same God? Really? As explained in what part of the Bible?

No, no. Bong is saying that there are only two possible ways for two civilizations to have a Flood Story in their book of Old Stories.

One is that the Flood really happened.

The other is that everyone was part of the same religion long ago and took the flood myth with them when they split off, presumably at the Tower of Babel.

Malachi151 · 07-25-2008, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith&Co.

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Originally Posted by juergen

They worshipped the same God? Really? As explained in what part of the Bible?

No, no. Bong is saying that there are only two possible ways for two civilizations to have a Flood Story in their book of Old Stories.

One is that the Flood really happened.

The other is that everyone was part of the same religion long ago and took the flood myth with them when they split off, presumably at the Tower of Babel.

Or, of course:

Real, but regional, floods did happen to different civilizations at different times, causing them to each develop flood stories.
Different civilizations all noticed the fossils of sea creatures on the dry and and in the mountains, causing them to believe that at one time the whole world was under water.
As in the likely case of the Bible, flood myths were copied from one civilization to another.

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"Shells are found inland and in the mountains, and in the quarries of Syracuse an impression of a fish and seaweed has been found, and impressions of fish were found in Paros in the depth of the rock and in Malta impressions of many marine creatures. These, he [Xenophanes] says, were produced when everything was long ago covered with mud and the impressions were dried in the mud."
- Hippolytus (discussing the teachings of Xenophanes)

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"I have seen shells on the hills," evidence that "Egypt was originally an arm of the sea."

In Scythia, "the natives show a footprint left by Heracles on a rock by the river Tyras. It is like a man's footprint, but 3 feet long." (units of measure translated)
- The Histories; Herodotus, 430 BCE

jules? · 07-25-2008, 10:02 AM

Done better in the previous post but the pagan Greeks [Democratus was athiest] did it better than the Bible [inspired by gods perhaps?]

Keith&Co. · 07-25-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Fenton Mulley

In the time before the internet these people used to roam the streets rambling endlessly to any unfortunate passerby. Often they would ask for spare change.

On the other hand, it's clear that Bong is sincere. The round planet compass leads to the hand of God teaching the Chinese how to find magnetic north, where a satirist would have an actual goal, thus a single thought running through the thread.

funinspace · 07-25-2008, 11:21 AM

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ISAIAH 40:22
It is he that sittethin the cirlce of the earth.
a.Means round shape earth.

And I could talk about Jesus being taken up the the mountain by Satan to see the kigdoms of the world to show that he earth was flat, if I wanted to make equally obtuse arguments of what the Bible says about geography or the universe.
Matt 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

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Real history
Noah's flood(1556 years after ceation)
1.Polystrate fossil http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq...te_fossils.htm http://yecheadquarters.org/shame.34.html
2.Marine fossils above mountains http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...-sea-creatures
3.Grand Canyon http://www.yecheadquarters.org/noah_flood.2.html

If the flood happened 4400 years ago, how come the Egyptians and Sumerians didn't notice it?
http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/110/writing.htm

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PHILADELPHIA -- The Sumerians had a story to explain their invention of writing more than 5,000 years ago. It seems a messenger of the king of Uruk arrived at the court of a distant ruler so exhausted from the journey that he was unable to deliver the oral message. So the king, being clever, came up with a solution. He patted some clay and set down the words of his next messages on a tablet.
A Sumerian epic celebrates the achievement:
Before that time writing on clay had not yet existed,
But now, as the sun rose, so it was!
The king of Kullaba [Uruk] had set words on a tablet, so it was!

Which pretty much all archeologists agree that the Egyptians and Sumerians started writing some 5,000 years ago.

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Oldest Things Alive Today are around 4200 years old
(http://www.creationevidence.net/evbiology.shtml)
• The oldest living coral reef is less than 4200 years old.

Your cited web page author for the coral reef comment is: "3. Petersen, Dennis R. Unlocking the Mysteries of Creation. South Lake Tahoe, Calif.: Christian Equippers International, 1987". -- man this dudes background was not easy to find (I can't imagine why…LOL)
Dennis Petersen: http://www.nuoa.us/page1.php

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Professor of science and creation courses
Interpretation and Parks Management, Sacramento Tech University; M.A. in Museum Administration and American Folk Culture, (Cooperstown Greater Program) State University of New York;

Wow a degree in Museum Administration….I think I'll take the word of the thousands of Marine scientist and geoscientists who beg to differ with a Museum Administrator… :rolling:

http://www.cambridge.org/aus/catalog...1853026&ss=fro

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This book reviews the history of geomorphological studies of the Great Barrier Reef and assesses the influences of sea-level change and oceanographic processes on the development of reefs over the last 10 000 years. It presents analyses of recently attained data from the Great Barrier Reef and reconstructions of the sequence of events that have led to its current geomorphology.

Here is one of the authors of the book: http://www.asap.unimelb.edu.au/bspar...s/P001430b.htm

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David Hopley, Marine scientist and Geoscientist
1965 - 1996 Lecturer then Senior Lecturer and Associate Professor in the Department of Geography at James Cook University of North Queensland 1985 - 1996 Director and Professor of the Sir George Fisher Centre at James Cook University of North Queensland 1992 Royal Geographical Society Silver Medal received

If you feel free to ignore pretty much any science that does not fit your dogma, why not also believe in a geocentric universe? It also seams a tad more biblical, and you only have to throw out just a little more science….

bong_0000007 · 07-28-2008, 03:22 AM

Nope. For navigation purposes, alll they need is a reference. A direction you can depend on no matter how twisted around you get on the sea or in the desert.
As more science builds upon further discoveries, we figure out how the ancient observations fit into modern theory. Still no skybeast in the mix.
How could the discoverer,knows the importance of compass?
The possibility that the discoverer could make a compass is too small.
It needed a lot of repeatition.
How can he balanced the needle in a friction surface,consider that it was 2000 BC?

Now, have you had a chance to compare Egyptian and Hebrew Flood myths?
There are more than 250 stories of flood.You have not only to compare Noah's flood to the one, but to all.It only tells that they came from one origin.
Yep. North "IN THIS VERSE" is in the sky.
Nothing about the south.
What's the problem?
You eliminate south?

bong_0000007 · 07-28-2008, 03:37 AM

Isaiah10:14
My hand has found like a nest
the wealth of the peoples;
and as one gathers eggs that have been forsaken,
so I have gathered all the earth;
and there was none that moved a wing
or opened the mouth or chirped."

a.He compare eggs with the earth

Keith&Co. · 07-28-2008, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bong_0000007

How could the discoverer,knows the importance of compass?

Holy shit, mon! This needle always points at the North Star!
Cool!

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The possibility that the discoverer could make a compass is too small.
It needed a lot of repeatition.

Lots of repetition? Kinda the basis of science?

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How can he balanced the needle in a friction surface,consider that it was 2000 BC?

IIRC ,the first ones floated on water.

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Now, have you had a chance to compare Egyptian and Hebrew Flood myths?
There are more than 250 stories of flood.You have not only to compare Noah's flood to the one, but to all.It only tells that they came from one origin.

No, it tells that they came from various societies, with various explanations. Please tell me how the varying details of Egyptian and Hebrew accounts of the Flood can be justified as the telling of one single mythical event.

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Yep. North "IN THIS VERSE" is in the sky.
Nothing about the south.
What's the problem?
You eliminate south?

The verse isn't talking about the south. It doesn't mention the south. The south is not part of what God stretched out in the 'just so' story. Point?

Keith&Co. · 07-28-2008, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bong_0000007

Isaiah10:14
My hand has found like a nest
the wealth of the peoples;
and as one gathers eggs that have been forsaken,
so I have gathered all the earth;
and there was none that moved a wing
or opened the mouth or chirped."

a.He compare eggs with the earth

Job 38:13
King James Bible
That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

a. He compares the earth to a rug.

bong_0000007 · 07-28-2008, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith&Co.

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Originally Posted by bong_0000007

Isaiah10:14
My hand has found like a nest
the wealth of the peoples;
and as one gathers eggs that have been forsaken,
so I have gathered all the earth;
and there was none that moved a wing
or opened the mouth or chirped."

a.He compare eggs with the earth

Job 38:13
King James Bible
That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

a. He compares the earth to a rug.

Earth,means a continent in that verse.
Maybe you could say I am so pathetic, but I am so sad that you can't understand the bible.
As I said before earth varies in meaning.
Earth sometimes means to be a soil,local land,continent,and in this verse he means planet.
Earth sometimes different in islands and world.
Try to discover these verses.

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07-25-2008, 10:02 AM	#33
jules? Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: mind the time rift, cardiff, wales Posts: 645	Done better in the previous post but the pagan Greeks [Democratus was athiest] did it better than the Bible [inspired by gods perhaps?]

07-28-2008, 03:22 AM	#36
bong_0000007 Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Iloilo, PHilippines Posts: 128	Nope. For navigation purposes, alll they need is a reference. A direction you can depend on no matter how twisted around you get on the sea or in the desert. As more science builds upon further discoveries, we figure out how the ancient observations fit into modern theory. Still no skybeast in the mix. How could the discoverer,knows the importance of compass? The possibility that the discoverer could make a compass is too small. It needed a lot of repeatition. How can he balanced the needle in a friction surface,consider that it was 2000 BC? Now, have you had a chance to compare Egyptian and Hebrew Flood myths? There are more than 250 stories of flood.You have not only to compare Noah's flood to the one, but to all.It only tells that they came from one origin. Yep. North "IN THIS VERSE" is in the sky. Nothing about the south. What's the problem? You eliminate south?

07-28-2008, 03:37 AM	#37
bong_0000007 Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Iloilo, PHilippines Posts: 128	Isaiah10:14 My hand has found like a nest the wealth of the peoples; and as one gathers eggs that have been forsaken, so I have gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved a wing or opened the mouth or chirped." a.He compare eggs with the earth

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