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Johnny Skeptic · 03-06-2008, 05:33 AM

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Huon · 03-06-2008, 06:40 AM

Isaiah 53,9 (New American Standard)
His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.

Johnny Skeptic · 03-06-2008, 06:58 AM

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Isaiah 53:9 (New American Standard)

"His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth."

Yes, that is a good example of a self-fulfilled prophecy, just like Micah 5:2, and just like the Partition of Palestine.

paarsurrey · 03-06-2008, 06:59 AM

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Was Jesus buried in Joseph of Arimathaea's tomb?

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Hi

No, he was only laid in Joseph of Arimathaea's tomb, so that he does not get suffocated in a grave. Jesus was in a near-dead position due to injuries inflicted on the Cross, he needed immediate treatment and care whcih was provided by his friends under supervision of Nicodemus a physician. Since he never died in the first place on the Cross; so there is no question of his resurrection or ascension.

He later migrated secretly alongwith Mary and some very close disciples to India. He died at the age of 120 years according to one tradition. He got married and had off-spring there. He is buried in a tomb in Mohallah Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kashmir, India. For details in this connection , one may access:
http://www.alislam.org/library/books...dia/index.html a book by the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

xunzian · 03-06-2008, 07:06 AM

In my mind, any new theory needs to accomplish two things: 1) Be a consistent, supported theory and 2) have sufficient evidence so that it can replace the previous theory.

I think the Joseph of Arimathaea's tomb burial is sorta the ID of atheists. The location where Jesus was/is buried has been known for around 2000 years, and I don't think that some vague writings on a wall constitute sufficient evidence to challenge that position.

Johnny Skeptic · 03-06-2008, 07:15 AM

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The location where Jesus was/is buried has been known for around 2,000 years.......

Please quote your sources.

xunzian · 03-06-2008, 07:35 AM

Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Been a sacred place for Christians since the Cruxifiction. Check it out. This page cites some of the sources.

Johnny Skeptic · 03-06-2008, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by xunzian

Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Been a sacred place for Christians since the Cruxifixion. Check it out. This page cites some of the sources.

Why couldn't the body have been moved?

xunzian · 03-06-2008, 08:14 AM

It certainly could have, but that's the sort of straw-grabbing that ID-proponents use all the time. We can talk about a million "could haves" but those are rarely solid foundations. That is, unless a conclusion has already been reached and the "could haves" are used with scant evidence to justify that conclusion . . . hardly the direction we want to go, right? The whole idea is to be better than that.

Johnny Skeptic · 03-06-2008, 08:53 AM

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[The body] certainly could have [been moved], but that's the sort of straw-grabbing that ID-proponents use all the time. We can talk about a million "could haves" but those are rarely solid foundations. That is, unless a conclusion has already been reached and the "could haves" are used with scant evidence to justify that conclusion . . . hardly the direction we want to go, right? The whole idea is to be better than that.

What do you propose actually happened at the tomb?

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03-06-2008, 06:40 AM	#2
Huon Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bordeaux France Posts: 2,796	Isaiah 53,9 (New American Standard) His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.

03-06-2008, 07:06 AM	#5
xunzian Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,691	In my mind, any new theory needs to accomplish two things: 1) Be a consistent, supported theory and 2) have sufficient evidence so that it can replace the previous theory. I think the Joseph of Arimathaea's tomb burial is sorta the ID of atheists. The location where Jesus was/is buried has been known for around 2000 years, and I don't think that some vague writings on a wall constitute sufficient evidence to challenge that position.

03-06-2008, 07:35 AM	#7
xunzian Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,691	Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Been a sacred place for Christians since the Cruxifiction. Check it out. This page cites some of the sources.

03-06-2008, 08:14 AM	#9
xunzian Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,691	It certainly could have, but that's the sort of straw-grabbing that ID-proponents use all the time. We can talk about a million "could haves" but those are rarely solid foundations. That is, unless a conclusion has already been reached and the "could haves" are used with scant evidence to justify that conclusion . . . hardly the direction we want to go, right? The whole idea is to be better than that.

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