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Old 06-13-2012, 07:05 PM   #1
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Default Secular hegemony and its academic sources before Jesus & the Nicaean Church

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The secular hegemony of these distinguished organs of academic research has historically descended from the INSIDIOUS hegemony of the church.
So is all of Western scholarship. The church created the university system. The study of mathematics, biology, philosophy, linguistics, etc., are all descended from christian institutions.
Pythagoras, Euclid, Hippocrates, Galen, Plato, Aristotle and the "Second Sophistic" did not study in christian institutions. The Education System derived from Antiquity consisted of the three basic elements of the "Trivium" -- Grammar, Logic and Rhetoric -- (rhetoric being further sub-classified into Ethos, Pathos and Logos) and are the prerequisites for the four subjects of the Quadrivium - Arithetic, Geometry, Music and Astronomy. These become the preparatory for the "serious Higher education" involving Philosophy and Theology.



We see ample evidence of this education system with the Platonist lineage of philosophers and theologians until the time of Nicaea, at which time the Greek intellectual tradition (and its architecture) was brutally suppressed by the centralised state monotheistic Christian regime.

Of course it resurfaced a thousand years later as the Medieval education system, after the Greek works were rediscovered having been preserved outside the reaches of the book-burning christian church regime.

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Are you suggesting that, for example, Harvard (which was created to train clergy), and it's graduate programs in mathematics and science, are somehow influenced by the fact that at one point the entire university was designed around christian beliefs, views, and purposes?

Does Harvard view Platonic theology and Christian theology equally?

Do many grants flowing into Harvard stem from the Platonists?


I am suggesting that Christian theology is a Nicaean upstart.
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What ancient source(s) provide information on the secular nature of early christianity and how many of them are suspected of being forgeries?

When did the Christians care for mathematics, biology, philosophy, linguistics, etc? The Christians just managed the god forgery mill.

Forged: Writing in the Name of God--Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are (or via: amazon.co.uk)

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Ehrman argues that many books of the New Testament are not simply written by people other than the ones to whom they are attributed, but that they are deliberate forgeries.
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