aa5874

If it is assumed Jesus was only human and it is claimed he was crucufied and died, then Jesus, being only human, could not resurrect. So, if the NT makes a claim that Jesus was seen alive after the crucufixion, he must have survived somehow and was only mistakenly thought to have died.

The Gospels and the Epistles all make claims that Jesus was alive after his crucifixion, and to reinforce his survival, the Gospels all claim that the body of Jesus was not in the tomb when visited by some disciples, including Peter and many women.

So if Jesus was seen by his disciples in the country, in Galilee on a mountain, and was eating fish with honeycomb and fish with bread, then when did Jesus actually die?

1 Cor 15.5-6, "He was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve, after that.....about five hundred..."
What really happened to Jesus after he was seen by Cephas?

Toto

You are mistranslating 1 Cor 15. It does not say that Jesus was seen by or of Cephas, but that he appeared to Cephas. After that, he might have gone back into the ether or the heavens.

And all those stories about Jesus appearing after his death, are just stories.

aa5874

You have then, without corroboration, implied you know when Jesus died. The death of Jesus could have also been stories. The NT stories of the death of Jesus all claim his body was never seen in the tomb when visited by Mary Magdalene, Peter and others.

Based on Josephus in the "Life of Flavius Josephus", there is a documented case of the survival of a crucified victim".

Excerpts from the Life of Josephus: I did not mistranslate 1 Corinthians 15, it is already translated in my KJV Bible. My KJV is not written in Greek.

1 Corinthians 15.5-6 (KJV): "And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
After that he was seen of about five hundred brethren......"

And, if Jesus "appeared in person" to the disciples, how is that fundamentally different to disciples having seen him?

Huon

The atheists already reject the idea that Jesus is divine or that he was actually resurrected. Once those items are accepted as fiction, there is little reason to believe any other parts of the story, except as an explanation for how the concept originated and was developed.

aa5874

There are atheists who claim Jesus was total human and was living in the 1st century. I am trying to find out if these proponents know what happened to Jesus after he survived his crucifixion, as recorded in the gospels.

Rejection of the resurrection of Jesus does not alter the fact that the NT claimed Jesus was seen alive after he should have been dead. If these atheists reject the crucifixion and burial, then Jesus appearance in person to his disciples is easily understood.

And if Jesus survived, it is must be considered that he could have met "Paul", since Paul claimed he himself was alive during the reign of King Aretas according to 2 Corinthians 11.32

Doug Shaver

Your question assumes that the NT writers got everything right except the part where Jesus died. I think it's a waste of time to give any serious thought to that possibility.

aa5874

My question does not imply at all that everything before his death occured. It should be obvious to you that the writers of the NT may have been erroneous in the date of the crucifixion or the crucifixion itself.

aa5874

I forgot to mention, in my previous post, that there may be some who think the writers of the NT got everything wrong except his crucifixion and death.

Toto

I don't know if Jesus existed, or when he died. I just know that the original Greek, of which the KJV is not necessarily a good translation, uses a verb that is usually translated "appears" and which is also used for divine appearances to humans. It does not mean "appeared in person" or "was seen in person."

aa5874

Well, you have a problem with the translators of the KJV. For the time being, I will accept the KJV of "seen" meaning "appeared in person", since I am not even sure you know Greek.