Bernard Muller

I looked long ago if the Greek word used for "Gentiles" in the TF (Ant. Book 18, Section 63) appears (again) in Josephus' Antiquities. The result was negative. But I used Perseus which is full of bugs.
I would like to know if someone with the appropriate data base can search that for me, in all Josephus' works, for any form or case of that Greek word.
Thank you.

stephan huller

Here's the way to get there:

http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/books/f...loeb/index.htm

stephan huller

Actually I just noticed it just goes upto 14.

Bernard Muller

I looked long ago if the Greek word used for "Gentiles" in the TF (Ant. Book 18, Section 63) appears (again) in Josephus' Antiquities. The result was negative. But I used Perseus which is full of bugs.
I would like to know if someone with the appropriate data base can search that for me, in all Josephus' works, for any form or case of that Greek word.
Thank you.

aeebee50

I had to search for what TF stood for. Now I know, wish you luck on your search.http://debunkingchristianity.blogspo...stimonium.html

DCHindley

(JOS Ant 18:63) δεχομένων καὶ πολλοὺς μὲν Ἰουδαίους πολλοὺς δὲ καὶ τοῦ Ἑλληνικοῦ ἐπηγάγετο

The word is technically "Greeks/Hellenes."

From Ἑλληνικός, ή, όν Greek Lk 23:38 v.l.; supply ‘language’ Rv 9:11.*

Ant. 1:133
Ant. 3:144, 162
Ant. 8:144
Ant. 9:283
Ant. 11:329
Ant. 12:1, 14, 48, 240, 263
Ant. 14:197, 319
Ant. 15:329
Ant. 18:63
Ant. 19:7
Ant. 20:183, 263
Wars 2:268
Wars 5:194
Wars 6:125
Life 1:74, 359
Apion 1:1f, 27, 51, 58, 73, 142, 180
Apion 2:255, 269

2 Ma. 4:10, 15
2 Ma. 6:9
2 Ma. 11:24
2 Ma. 13:2
4 Ma. 8:8
Jer. 26:16
Jer. 27:16
Rev. 9:11

Ἑλληνιστής, οῦ, ὁ a Hellenist, a Greek-speaking Jew Ac 6:1; 9:29; 11:20.*

Not found in Josephus

Acts 6:1
Acts 9:29
Acts 11:20

*Gingrich, F. Wilbur, Danker, Frederick W., Shorter Lexicon of the Greek New Testament, 2nd ed, 1983

Toto

duplicate threads merged

Bernard Muller

Thanks all, especially DCHindley.
Checked everyone of them for Josephus' works. Could not find the one for Ant. 12:1.
All of them are adjectives, including the one at Ant. 18:63: "and also many any one gentile".
But in the TF, this word is in the genitive case. Everywhere else it is not.
Any significance in that?
Cordially, Bernard

outhouse

Its only highly understudied area of the NT.

These people had different names for their group depending on who was talking about them, and which language was being used to do such, and from which geographic location.


Gentiles.
God-fearers.
Jews can all be confused/misused.


Some Jews could be calling them non-Jews.

Some Jews could be calling them God-fearers.

Im sure the God-fearers looked at themselves as Jews. Why wouldnt they? If your family had worshipped Judaism for generations but would not fully convert but spend time in a synagogue, you would think you were a follower of Judaism.


I think this brings in a lot of confusion. Its my opinion Paul and Josephas would be God-fearers using the label of Judaism but not following all the laws nor strict adherance to such.

Duvduv

The Church writers were very clever not to go full steam in introducing "Christianity" into the Josephus texts in the monasteries. Just a little here about the brother of the Christ or about the great man, John the Baptist. Enough to establish "authenticity" about their Christ back in the 1st century. I don't suppose anyone has examined the Josephus texts to determine to what extent they are composites of different writers or non-Jewish sources.