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Roller · 01-14-2004, 01:17 PM

Hello!

Recently I have asked some theist how they reconcile that bloodthirsty, vengeful Yahweh with Jesus, since Jesus is supposed to be Yahweh. Well, no one attempted to answer the question but I noticed that the "defense" was that Yahweh was not cruel at all. Furthermore, the people that Hebrews, led by Yahweh, slaughtered deserved such faith since they were wicked beyond "repair."

Is there any evidence for this wickedness among conquered people? Is there any evidence that conquest of Canaan ever happened?

Doctor X · 01-14-2004, 01:39 PM

No.

--J.D.

Doctor X · 01-14-2004, 01:42 PM

Sorry . . . always wanted to do that. . . .

Checketh thou the Recommended Reading List. This has two very good and accessible books that discuss the subject. Bible Unearthed is a bit "popular" and the authors go a bit far speculating the existence of a David and Solomon, however, otherwise it is excellent. Shorter, better, is Biblical Archaeology.

--J.D.

Roller · 01-14-2004, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by Doctor X
Sorry . . . always wanted to do that. . . .

Checketh thou the Recommended Reading List. This has two very good and accessible books that discuss the subject. Bible Unearthed is a bit "popular" and the authors go a bit far speculating the existence of a David and Solomon, however, otherwise it is excellent. Shorter, better, is Biblical Archaeology.

--J.D.

Thanks. "Bible Unearthed" is waiting on my shelf for quite some time now. "The Hidden Face of God" by Friedman is next

So, before I venture into Bible Unearthed, any clue about conquest? No? Any clue about the nature of inhabitants in Canaan?

Toto · 01-14-2004, 01:56 PM

Bible Unearthed opines that there was no conquest. However, nations established their legitimacy in those bad old days by conquering, raping, and pillaging an area, so the authors of the Bible had to include a story about their nation forcibly conquering Israel under the divine guidance of their G-d. But it never happened and the Israelites were really Canaanites.

Roller · 01-14-2004, 04:07 PM

Thanks guys. I just read third chapter ("The Conquest of Canaan") from "The Bible Unearthed" and the picture is much clearer.

Jayhawker Soule · 01-14-2004, 05:44 PM

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Bible Unearthed is a bit "popular" and the authors go a bit far speculating the existence of a David and Solomon, however, otherwise it is excellent.

What, specifically, do you find speculative? Do you reject the Tel Dan "House of David" inscription?

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Shorter, better, is Biblical Archaeology.

I would suggest blander, not better. although I did enjoy Biblical Archaeology as well.

Dever's new book is, in my opinion, also worth a look.

Jayhawker Soule · 01-14-2004, 05:45 PM

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Is there any evidence that conquest of Canaan ever happened?

Yes ... by damn near everyone except the Israelites.

Celsus · 01-14-2004, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by ConsequentAtheist
Yes ... by damn near everyone except the Israelites.

:notworthy :notworthy

Joel

Roller · 01-14-2004, 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by ConsequentAtheist
Yes ... by damn near everyone except the Israelites.

Priceless!

01-14-2004, 01:17 PM	#1
Roller Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cleveland Posts: 658	Did conquest of Canaan ever happened? Hello! Recently I have asked some theist how they reconcile that bloodthirsty, vengeful Yahweh with Jesus, since Jesus is supposed to be Yahweh. Well, no one attempted to answer the question but I noticed that the "defense" was that Yahweh was not cruel at all. Furthermore, the people that Hebrews, led by Yahweh, slaughtered deserved such faith since they were wicked beyond "repair." Is there any evidence for this wickedness among conquered people? Is there any evidence that conquest of Canaan ever happened?

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01-14-2004, 01:39 PM	#2
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	No. --J.D.

01-14-2004, 01:42 PM	#3
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Sorry . . . always wanted to do that. . . . Checketh thou the Recommended Reading List. This has two very good and accessible books that discuss the subject. Bible Unearthed is a bit "popular" and the authors go a bit far speculating the existence of a David and Solomon, however, otherwise it is excellent. Shorter, better, is Biblical Archaeology. --J.D.

01-14-2004, 01:56 PM	#5
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Bible Unearthed opines that there was no conquest. However, nations established their legitimacy in those bad old days by conquering, raping, and pillaging an area, so the authors of the Bible had to include a story about their nation forcibly conquering Israel under the divine guidance of their G-d. But it never happened and the Israelites were really Canaanites.

01-14-2004, 04:07 PM	#6
Roller Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cleveland Posts: 658	Thanks guys. I just read third chapter ("The Conquest of Canaan") from "The Bible Unearthed" and the picture is much clearer.

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