Kapyong

Gday all,

So the Panarion of Epiphanius (Vol. I only so far) is finally online after all these years of waiting :

http://www.masseiana.org/panarion_bk1.htm#34.

I think it's been mentioned here, but I couldn't seem to find the post.

I've been searching through it for tid-bits re a Mythical Jesus and came across this clear statement :

III. ANACEPHALAEOSIS I
...
5:2 As well, he [Pythagoras] distinguished between what is above the moon, which he called immortal, and what is below it, which he called mortal.

Such ideas are not always expressed so clearly in the works Doherty quotes, I thought readers might like to see this one.

I wish volume II was online too, I wonder why not. I actually printed out most of it from Google Books, but can't search through that so easily of course.

Kapyong

Toto

Previous thread and discussion: Full Text of Book One of Epiphanius Panarion in English at Scribd

Kapyong

Thanks Toto,

I should have searched titles only and it would have come up straight away !

Kapyong

mountainman

Thanks K. Chrestos find. The essence of the search for a freely available English translation of this 4th century heresiologist is the information it will furnish to those who are interested in exploring and investigating the political history of the 4th century. In earlier posts two such texts were identified as being unavailable to the general public in English.

These two books were:

(1) The Panarion of this Epiphanius heresiologist authored later 4th century and

(2) The Law Codex of Theodosius from the 5th century giving retrospective account of imperial laws back to the age of Constantine.

Both these books were available to those who wanted to spend mega bucks, but there have been no full English translations available on the net.

The past threads lamented this absence.

Hence your find is good news for those who have an interest in this epoch.


Happy Saturnalia and cool yule to you.



:wave:



This is how the 4th century heresiologists divided and conquered the intellectual framework of the controversies which surrounded the formation and establishment of the Chrestian or Christian religion between 325 and 381 CE. These people patently called everyone else heretics, but who were they? They were those who had suddenly become victorious under Constantine. In the earliest legend they may be identified as the Three Hundred and Eighteen Nicaean Fathers.

aa5874

This is found in the very same Panarion 1.


It is clear that in antiquity it was claimed Jesus was crucified on earth NOT in the sub-lunar.

And further, the Panarion implies that Paul was alive when gLuke was written.

It is clear that Paul does not represent the 1st century but was alive sometime well into the 2nd century or later.

Kapyong

GDay,

Seems that way to most.

But there is that oddity where Adam is said (contradictarily) to be buried in the 3rd heaven, a subject which came up recently.

If the first Adam can be buried in the 3rd heaven, surely the 2nd Adam can too? Perhaps the 3rd heaven is at or below the Lunar level, of the classic seven (sometimes) ten heavens.

Kapyong

Kapyong

Thanks Pete,

Well, I sure hope Volume II makes it online soon.

That would be very handy book indeed, I didn't realise it was not available, I think I have a book with some excerpts somewhere packed away.

Kapyong

aa5874

Ten heavens!!! You are way off. There were were lots of heavens in antiquity.

Examine the Panarion.

mountainman

My bet is later. The letter exchange between Paul and Seneca was forged in the 4th century.

aa5874

The Paul/Seneca letter was forged in the 4th century??? Why so early?? Are you aware that the Donation of Constantine was written hundreds of years after the 4th century??

It appears to me that many of the bogus writings from the Church writers may have been composed far later than originally thought.