wyrdwillows

... then how can the Trinity doctrine be true? In Mark 13:32, we learn that the the angels, Son, and presumably the Holy Spirit are ignorant of the time of the Second Coming. Only the Father knows--so how can these three persons be equal?

There are some other good questions on this non-Trinitarian Christian website here. Does anybody know if these questions have been addressed? Considering the Trinity is a very important doctrine of modern fundamentalism . . .

Jedi Mind Trick

I know that when I was a christian I was taught the doctrine of the "Hypostatic Union." That is, Juses was not only 100% God but he was also 100% human (minus the old sin nature of course). So, it was taught that when Jesus made statments that were not equal with the Father he was speaking from the perspective of his humanity. Also, when he walked the earth, his deity "Stood Under" (hupostasis) his humanity such that "God the Son" did not aid Jesus the man. That was the Holy Spirit's job.

Still confused?
So was I.... But I took it on faith.

Chili

But that is a good beginning because there were two of them and the sin nature of Jesus was the very cross he carried and died on. In the Gospels he was two different identities as if in a permanent out of body existence from where he could clearly look into his past to see the origin of his deception (Jesus as sinner was an imposter (Mt.27:64c).

TySixtus

Or, none of it is true and it's all desperate attempts by ignorant goat-herders to make every thing match up, so that when intelligent people like the Original Poster ask these questions, there is plenty of bullshit in various containers ready to obfuscate.

At least, that's what I think.

For example, read Chili's last sentence. It is utterly devoid of meaning. It is total, blurry, crafted nonsense. But that nonsense has been in one form or another for the last 2,000 years, so it's also assumed some level of antiquity, which is usually then misapplied to authority.

In any other capacity, the idea of a thing being three things but one thing, but not really, but kind of, in an out-of-body kind of way, complete with imposters acting like the human counterpart to the man-god figure, which, coincidentally was in every other mythos at the time, would be looked at as utter bullshit, or the rantings of a lunatic. But because it's "Religious" and it's been around for awhile, suddenly it's worthy of attention.

I'm not British, but I think I'll go ahead and use the term anyways: Bollocks.

(Did I spell that right?)

Ty

Chili

Nobody asked you to believe anything but the trinity is very easy to explain. It makes reference to our conscious mind, subconscious mind and the relationship between these two. In this the father and son are complete strangers to each other except thru the HS that might come across to you as an epiphany. If you disagree with this tell me how you can make your subconscious mind the subject of your inquiry or just tell me how your intuition is different from your rational thoughts.

Quetzalcoatl

Nah, it’s a mystery "hidden by the veil of faith and enveloped, so to speak, by a kind of darkness"

Did Pope Benedict XVI make a new proclamation?
Actually it makes reference to Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.

The relationship between then is that the Holy Ghost impregnated Mary to conceive The son so he can die to appease the Father. In other words God impregnated Mary to conceive God so he can die to appease God. This was easily explained by our friends the Catholics.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm



Nah, they knew each other.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.�

Using the tools of neuroscience.

My intuition tells me I have a soul my rational thought shuts him up.


How do you determine if a doctrine is true? A doctrine is just what it is. A dogmatic assertion.


Catholic
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm
Seven day Adventist
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/...ventism/115162

If you are confused, remember you need faith

Chili

Yes it is a mystery but at least faith recognizes that there is light out there. Well yes, they are all part of the same person. Yes except that when Christ was born they called him Jesus who obviously was not the son of God or they would have called him Christ. Of course and they knew each other each generation anew. That is just how a civilization evolves.Lucky for them that there is something to be explored. It must be dark out there. . . . yes I understand and you will do that each and every time. Except that dogma and doctrine are not the same. A doctrine is an assertion until it becomes dogma.

Wads4

Yes-very good.

vsop44

On ly the father and the son know the time of the second coming !

That ' s one hell of a big misrake !
Can you imagine Jesus , barefoot in a long dress with long hair and dusty from his journey , walking into the vatican !!!!
He won 't make it pass the first Swiss guard when he says I am Jesus christ and I want to talk to the pope . They ' ll put him in an insane asylum and throw away the key :wave:
If Jesus wants to be recognized , He' d better give a warning that he is coming .

Thomas II

Obviously the Trinity is all about a RELATION of SOMETHING(God) TO ITSELF.

The "SON" is a REFLECTION (of the father).Lives in the relative world.
The "FATHER" only lives in the absolute world.
The "SPIRIT" is the link between the absolute world and the relative world.