Robert_Plant

I was wondering about people who grow up either being completely nonreligious or just a different one than christianity and how they'll argue on judgement day for their case. I'm agnostic if I have to pick a label, but I grew up in a christian family, especially my dads side (my great granddad was a pentecostal preacher and the story goes he died of a heart attack he had while giving a sermon and the quote from the doctor, "He was dead before he hit the floor"...always have thought that to be an interesting death and quote).

Anyways, I've been told how if you ask God/Jesus to "enter your heart/reveal himself/touch ya" he will do so if your sincere and all. And how also supposedly there is that "little voice" in your head telling you right from wrong and that Jesus is Lord.

So there is probably bound to be countless people saying, "Well, God...the voice in my head didn't lead me to this religion, but to 'insert religion/philosophical outlook'. I came to the conclusion that the 'one true faith' couldn't produce evidence physically, logically or cognitively(sp). No voice told me Jesus is Lord. I even had that two year stint in the 80s of trying out a church and finding Christ but, nothing. This path worked for me. As my file shows, I commited no huge sins beyond small lies (no honey, that doesn't make you look fat) and sneaking in outside food to the movies. I lived and treated my fellow man and the world better than a ton of christians, but their gamble on the chirst pony is the ultimate payoff"

If being a christian is "the way" then do the others who choose another ignore the pull towards christ they should feel? Is everyone who is not "saved" denying what that voice should be whispering? Do we actually even have that voice constantly telling everyone around the world in their heads that this is wrong, christ is right?

I can imagine how the great people throughout time will possibly look up at God and Jesus frustrated and pissed. The asking of why did you put me in a life where I see christians in very negative lights and I went with this religion that 'saved' my life and thats wrong? Why did the guy in front of me get to be wicked for 50 years of his life and covert at the tail end and I was a "model christian" who wasn't one but I burn and the murderer is saved?

I assume that most of the answers from the christians will be well, the bible says...but I just want your opinion/guess on my query? I hope its not too confusing what I'm asking, what the conscience of nonbelievers are telling them and those who seek christ and say "the voice" tells them its rubbish if its just satan tricking them.

FreezBee

You see, it works this way: God knows what's inside you - even better than you do, so God chooses a way to lead you to him based on how you are inside, that's only between God and you. That way may happen to go by the name of "agnosticism" in some parts of the world, but what's in a name? Look at it, the Latin word for "lamb" is "agnus", and doesn't the 'o' in "agnosticism" sound much like the 'u' in "agnus"?

- FreezBee

Robert_Plant

That sounds right on to me man. But than I assume you aren't a christian than? Or are you saying that all roads lead to christ if you're trying?

FreezBee

I consider myself to be Christian, but there happen to be parts of the world, where I'm not allowed to say that openly - because I do not worship the Bible.

And, yes, I say that all roads leads to Christ - it's just that we may not all be given the same road to follow, that's what brings confusion.


- FreezBee

Robert_Plant

So than do you think/believe that a person who is of another religious persuasion and is genuine in trying to connect/find god will believe in christ eventually or that even if they are a practicing whatever till their death as long as they seek genuinely they'll...well I'm not sure what you think even if a person does believe in christ.

Basically can you not believe in christ but still find him if everything was the same but the belief in christ (the same being how you act and think)

Clivedurdle

These voices are always ourselves or our memories of people we know!

There is a little experiment used in psychology to prove this!

Put two chairs opposite each other, sit in one, imagine your father or mother or other significant person in the other. Talk to them. Swap chairs and be them talking back to you!

Think about what you say when playing the other - when and where have you heard it before? Have you got the intonations right, what do you remember?

If God is talking to you, imagine God is in the other chair talking to you. Swap chairs and become God. Try and work out whose voice God is - it will be someone you know!

Toto

No Biblical Criticism here. Let's try GRD.

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I'm sure that would come as a surprise to Muslims, Jews, Taoists, Buddhists, Shinto, Animists...

Luci

I thought all roads lead to Rome?

Whatever.

Anyway, I came a long road; Dutch Reformed Church (protestant), Jehova's Witness, then a non-denominational happy clappy church, after that I tried a small church led a by a born again Rabbi. I always seeked the lord, he was nowhere to be found.

Until I realised it was because he is just a mythical figure. All those wasted years :banghead:

I am so eternally grateful my road led me to the truth of atheism. :jump:

Astreja

I don't think that any road leads to "Christ" (whoever/whatever it may or may not be). Live life with integrity, to the best of your ability, and the road will lead to... you.