aa5874

There is something fundamentally wrong with your understanding. I cannot continue with these aimless questions.

I HAVE READ ONLY ENGLISH VERSIONS OF THE OT, NT, JOSEPHUS, PHILO, JUSTIN MARTYR, TERTULLIAN, ORIGEN, IRENAEUS, EUSEBIUS AND OTHERS.

Jeffrey Gibson

What I I understand is that you don't know what you are talking about not only when you make claims about what does and does not appear in Greek and Latin texts, but especially what words do and do not appear in the Greek texts of Josephus and Eusebius.

The questions I asked were not aimless. And I note they have still not been answered.

Yes. That's always been apparent. Buy the question is not what you've read, but whether you were capable of reading Greek and Latin texts.

And I see that the answer is no.

And in answering this way you are now admitting that your claim that the English word "Christ" appears in the Greek text of Josephus and Eusebius is something you are not only unsure of, but something you wouldn't be able personally to determine even if it were true. Got it.

Thanks.

May I suggest then that you never again make any claims about what an ancient Greek or Latin text says or doesn't say or more importantly that you refrain from telling others who do read Latin and Greek (and who show you what the actual wording of an ancient text is) that they don't know what they are talking about, when they tell you that your assertions about what appears in Greek and Latin texts and/or your understandings of what those texts say are worthless.

Jeffrey

aa5874

Your post is completely erroneous. I NEVER claimed the word "Christ" is in any GREEK version of Josephus.

Jeffrey Gibson

Really? What's this then:

except that very claim?

And my post is hardly "completely erroneous". My claim within it that you don't know you don't know what you are talking about when you make claims about what does and does not appear in Greek and Latin texts, is true

As are my grounds for my admonition that you never again make any claims about what an ancient Greek or Latin text says or doesn't say and that you refrain from telling others who do read Latin and Greek (and who show you what the actual wording of an ancient text is) that they don't know what they are talking about.

Jeffrey

aa5874

Your post is totally erroneous and misleading. I NEVER made any claim about any LATIN or GREEK text.

I have already referred you to the ENGLISH text, yet you continue to make statements that do not reflect my position.

Jeffrey Gibson

I see.

So in the end your position is what? That in the particular online texts you pointed us to we find their particular translators giving "Christus" for Tacitus' Christus, "Chrestus" for Suetonius' Chrestus and "Christ" for Josephus' Χριστος?

If so, so what?

Jeffrey

aa5874

Jesus, the twelve disciples and Paul are fiction.

Jeffrey Gibson

I am well aware of this particular belief of yoirs. (How could anyone not be?)

But I was asking about what your position was with respect to the fact you were intent to point out -- that certain English translations of Tacitus, Suetonius, and Josephus have what you say they have for Tacitus' Christus, Suetonius' Chrestus, and for Josephus' Χριστος?

What is your point in pointing out that the particular online texts you pointed us to we find their particular translators giving "Christus" for Tacitus' Christus, "Chrestus" for Suetonius' Chrestus and "Christ" for Josephus' Χριστος?

Jeffrey

Amaleq13

Jeffrey,

When will you believe me when I tell you that you are wasting your time? He clearly either cannot comprehend or refuses to consider the necessary relevance of the original languages in which the authors wrote.

Jeffrey Gibson

Sounds like Pete Brown and PJay. What's happened to Pete, BTW?

Jeffrey