aa5874

It has been drawn to my attention that the Pauline writer did NOT see Jesus. One cannot see what does not exist and one cannot form an identifiable image of a non-existing character.

PAUL saw Nothing.

Examine Acts of the Apostles where Saul/Paul, established as the author of ALL the Pauline Epistles by the Church writers, was somehow , by some unknown oddity, was converted by a BLINDING bright light.

Acts 9.3-4 Saul/Paul saw NOTHING.

And continuing...


Acts 9.5-7 Saul/Paul saw NOTHING, he ONLY heard voices.


Acts 9.7
Even his companions saw NO-ONE.

Acts 9.8-9 Saul/Paul was blind like a bat when he HEARD the voice.

Saul/Paul could NOT have seen Jesus or recognised the speech maker.

But, in the Pauline Epistles Saul/Paul claimed he was the LAST to SEE JESUS.


1 Corinthians 15. Now, even if Jesus actually died and was buried it is hardly likely that the Pauline writer did see JESUS.

The Pauline writer LIED. He did not see JESUS. He was blind like a bat and he lied like a FOX.

Rick Van Vliet

Paul was in charge of the slaughter of the followers of Jesus immediately after the cross. According to Acts, and the letters. Therefore, it's likely he was in charge before the cross, or at least involved.

One of those Pharisees Jesus was arguing with may have been Paul. He says he used to argue with the followers to get them to slip up so he could arrest them.

aa5874

May I remind you that Jesus was the offspring of the Holy Ghost and the Creator of things in heaven and on earth. Jesus could have only been on a cross and crucified in a mythical fable of which Saul/Paul, the author of ALL the Pauline Epistles, was a character who "saw" JESUS while blind.

Acts 9.8 Saul/Paul, the author of ALL the Pauline Epistles, did not see Jesus. SAUL/PAUL was blinded and to make matters worse he claimed in his own Epistle that he saw Jesus after the resurrection.

What lies.

Who has ever seen someone who did not exist after a resurrection while they were blinded?

Only Saul/Paul, the author of ALL the Pauline Epistles.

Toto

Check your sources. Paul only claimed that he persecuted the church in his letters, not that he was in charge of any slaughter, and Acts portrays him as a firebrand, but not in charge of anything.

If you are implying that Paul "saw" Jesus before his crucifixion, there is no record of this. 1 Cor 15 clearly refers to post-resurrection appearances of the risen Christ to various people.

Highly unlikely, and there is no evidence of any sort to support this. Source?

Solo

...by the dawn's early light ?

Jiri

aa5874

The KJV NT Canon as compiled today has books where every single author cannot be accounted for outside of apologetic sources, even a very apologetic source claimed 2nd Peter did NOT BELONG in the Canon.

The books of the KJV NT Canon is essentially about an entity called JESUS CHRIST, his 12 twelve disciples or apostle and a character called Saul/Paul.

Now JESUS CHRIST was described as the offspring of the HOLY GHOST in the Synoptics so it is almost certain that JESUS CHRIST could NOT have been seen.

No offspring of any GHOST, HOLY or UNHOLY, have been known to ALL mankind to have been PHYSICALLY captured ALIVE.

There is no known records of any CENSUS in the 1st century in Judea or Egypt where a man named Joseph registered a child called Jesus that was the OFFSPRING of the HOLY GHOST.

NO-ONE COULD HAVE SEEN THE HOLY GHOST'S OFFSPRING.

But, in the KJV NT Canon people SAW the HOLY GHOST offspring and they managed to KILL IT with NAILS on a Cross. People of antiquity did bury IT, the offspring of the HOLY GHOST, and on the third day, IT came back to life.

There is no known credible historical records of mankind where people DID actually see a RESURRECTED offspring of the HOLY GHOST.


But, the time when SAUL/PAUL saw JESUS CHRIST has NOT yet arrived, the RESURRECTED OFFSPRING of the HOLY GHOST must first leave EARTH.

In the KJV NT Canon it is claimed the RESURRECTED OFFSPRING of the HOLY GHOST, JESUS, did ascend through some clouds and was SITTING or STANDING on the RIGHT HAND of POWER.

Who could have SEEN the RESURRECTED HOLY GHOST OFFSPRING after he ASCENDED and left EARTH?

We will soon find out.

This is Saul/Paul in 1 Corinthians 15.8
SAUL/PAUL claimed he SAW the ASCENDED RESURRECTED HOLY GHOST OFFSPRING.

But, no-one could have seen the offspring of a Ghost or a Spirit.

Let's see what the author of Acts wrote.

Acts 9.8 Saul/Paul lied.

PAUL could not have seen JESUS the ascended resurrected offspring of the HOLY GHOST while he was BLIND.

Doug Shaver

Why? It's a work of fiction, not history.

The original author, whoever it was, probably didn't write that part. But even if he did, the context makes it clear that he was talking about some sort of vision about a spiritual entity, not an encounter with any man of this world.

What is especially unlikely is that the author was referring to any man who he believed had lived, died, and been buried in this world.

There is no evidence supporting that statement.

aa5874

Well, you must have examined Acts of the Apostles? Or did you just guess?

You must know that an examination of Acts of the Apostles was ABSOLUTELY necessary to claim that "Acts of the Apostles is a work of fiction", unless you just believe whatever you imagine.


You REALLY don't have any EVIDENCE from antiquity to claim "the original author, whoever it was, probably didn't write that part.".

You just GUESSED or used your imagination.

You have confessed you DON'T really know who wrote that part.

Your claim is totally UNSUBSTANTIATED.

Your statement is fundamentally and substantially illogical and with very little sense.

The Pauline writer used the name JESUS a name given to JEWS who lived on earth in Judea in the 1st century.

The Pauline writer claimed Jesus died; the Pauline writer implied Jesus lived.

The Pauline writer claimed Jesus was betrayed in the night after he had supped; the Pauline writer implied Jesus lived.

The Pauline writer claimed Jesus was raised from the dead on the third day; the Pauline writer implied that Jesus did live before he died and was raised from the dead.

No! No! Your claim is FALSE.

You cannot substantiate your fallacies.

There is EVIDENCE that the Pauline writer was a LIAR.

The EVIDENCE that the Pauline writer is LYING must be the very LIE.

Look at Galatians 1.23 You have claimed Acts of the Apostles is a WORK of FICTION, well the Pauline writer, SAUL/PAUL, CORROBORATED the Work of Fiction.

The author of your work of fiction and Saul/Paul in Galatians wrote he persecuted FICTITIOUS JESUS BELIEVERS.

The Pauline writer, Saul/Paul, claimed he persecuted Jesus believers and corroborated YOUR BOOK OF FICTION.

Now, there is NO EVIDENCE from sources of antiquity external of apologetics that there was an entity called Jesus, the offspring of the Holy Ghost, the Creator of everything in heaven and earth, was on earth or had believers before the Fall of the Temple.

And the EVIDENCE from the Church writers is that SAUL/PAUL DIED before the Fall of the Temple and the name JESUS CHRIST was an invention after the Fall of the Temple.

The Pauline writer LIED.

Rick Van Vliet

Hi,

I think Jesus was a special man, and the notion of being offspring from God and the Life Force of God strange and unlikely.

I mean, any more than we are all children of the Father.

Paul had to say he saw Jesus, since he was debating the brothers and disciples of Jesus about the message of Jesus.

And it's far from clear that Marcion didn't write, or at least heavily edit the "genuine" letters of Paul. He published them, with the current titles, in his Gnostic Bible in 130CE. Paul's letters, it seems are quite compatible with God being the devil.

Rick Van Vliet

"7:57But they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears,
and rushed at him with one accord. 7:58They threw him out of the
city, and stoned him. The witnesses placed their garments at the
feet of a young man named Saul. 7:59They stoned Stephen as he called
out, saying, "Lord Jesus, receive my Spirit!" 7:60He kneeled down,
and cried with a loud voice, "Lord, don't hold this sin against
them!" When he had said this, he fell asleep.

8:1Saul was consenting to his death. A great persecution arose
against the assembly which was in Jerusalem in that day. They were
all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria,
except for the apostles. 8:2Devout men buried Stephen, and lamented
greatly over him. 8:3But Saul ravaged the assembly, entering into
every house, and dragged both men and women off to prison.
8:4Therefore those who were scattered abroad went around preaching
the word."["...Simon the Magician Story..."]"9:1But Saul, still breathing
threats and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high
priest, 9:2and asked forletters from him to the synagogues of Damascus,
that if he found anywho were of the Way, whether men or women, he might
bring them boundto Jerusalem."

"26:9"I myself most assuredly thought that I ought to do many things
contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth. 26:10This I also did in
Jerusalem. I both shut up many of the saints in prisons, having
received authority from the chief priests, and when they were put to
death I gave my vote against them. 26:11Punishing them often in all
the synagogues, I tried to make them blaspheme. Being exceedingly
enraged against them, I persecuted them even to foreign cities."

And that's just Acts, the letters are just as bad, even worse, since Paul never apologizes and mean mouths the few disciples that survived.

Death means death, slaughter means slaughter, every house, means every house, men and women means men and women. Words have meaning.